Oscilloscope opinions

[MrMike]

Hey Guys, i'm in the market for an oscilloscope i used to use a hanatech ultra scan which had the inbuilt scope. i sold that and bought a x431 now i need a new scope. i don't want anything too expensive just something simple and portable so i can check speed sensors, throttle motors etc....

i saw this on ebay USB Handheld Digital Oscilloscope / Pocket Multimeter - eBay Oscilloscopes, Test Equipment, Electrical Test Equipment, Business Industrial. (end time 15-Mar-10 05:35:40 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/USB-Handheld-Digital-Oscilloscope-Pocket-Multimeter_W0QQitemZ120540248099QQcmdZViewItemQQpt ZBI_Oscilloscopes?hash=item1c10c23823#ht_5001wt_11 65)

it looks good but maybe a little cheap on quality. what do you guys think?

[electromech]

I am thinking about getting this:wink:

HPS40, Portable handheld oscilloscope, 12 Mhz bandwidth, model #HPS40 - All Spectrum Electronics (http://www.allspectrum.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=30)

[BeianM]

I am thinking about getting this:wink:

HPS40, Portable handheld oscilloscope, 12 Mhz bandwidth, model #HPS40 - All Spectrum Electronics (http://www.allspectrum.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=30)

I have one of these. It is not bad but make sure you get the one with a backlight otherwise it is hard to see in the daylight.
I bought mine from Maplins here in the UK. It automatically sets the screen to frequency which is a big help.

[MrMike]

now that looks like a much better quality unit. price seems pretty good too. i'll keep it in mind.

Cheers

[peikman]

I am thinking about getting this:wink:

HPS40, Portable handheld oscilloscope, 12 Mhz bandwidth, model #HPS40 - All Spectrum Electronics (http://www.allspectrum.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=30)


Hps10 better buy. Just for the measurement of all sensors in the car.

By contrast, high-voltage coils not strive for any of them.


HPS10, Portable handheld oscilloscope, 10MS/s, model #HPS10 - All Spectrum Electronics (http://www.allspectrum.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=28&osCsid=141703ded0f57189e2f60e92bfc79a30)

[filou]

Hey Guys, i'm in the market for an oscilloscope i used to use a hanatech ultra scan which had the inbuilt scope. i sold that and bought a x431 now i need a new scope. i don't want anything too expensive just something simple and portable so i can check speed sensors, throttle motors etc....

i saw this on ebay USB Handheld Digital Oscilloscope / Pocket Multimeter - eBay Oscilloscopes, Test Equipment, Electrical Test Equipment, Business Industrial. (end time 15-Mar-10 05:35:40 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/USB-Handheld-Digital-Oscilloscope-Pocket-Multimeter_W0QQitemZ120540248099QQcmdZViewItemQQpt ZBI_Oscilloscopes?hash=item1c10c23823#ht_5001wt_11 65)

it looks good but maybe a little cheap on quality. what do you guys think?

this is like the dso nano
DSO nano - the pocket size digital storage oscilloscope DSO nano - the cheap, low cost micro digital storage oscilloscope [TOL114C3M] - $89.00 : Seeed Studio Depot, Arsenal for interaction engineering (http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/micro-digital-storage-oscilloscopedso-nano-p-512.html)

look at the price !!!

[r6eck]

Pico scope 4 channel is the dogs danglies ,
or the dugs baws if your from gods country

[dafdiagnos]

bluepoint mt599 if you can find one. will also connect to your laptop thru rs232 so you get nice view of waveforms on screen to save squinting. otherwise picoscope if you want to spend that sort of money

[cars]

The best ever for automotive oscilloscopes are PICO SCOPE and Bosch FSA 720, both connected to a PC or laptop, because they have some unique features that transform them into fantastic motortester (with accessories). Another point in their favor is the support and expertise behind them.
Quality service, but unfortunately high costs.

[jnoroeste]

Hi m8, search for owon oscilloscopes, handheld two channels.
Excellent quality&price.

[electromech]

Hi m8, search for owon oscilloscopes, handheld two channels.
Excellent quality&price.
do you own one and can say without a doubt that it is 100% cause it looks a cheap

[jnoroeste]

Hi m8, I?m using this :
OWON-Meet your best needs (http://www.owon.co.uk/hdsSeries.asp)
from three years ago, two channels , works like a multimeter too in color screen.
No doubt, best option
Regards.

[racin-snake]

ive beem using a KAL 2 chanell scope for a couple of years now
and i like it setup s quick all trace library is inside and is a graphing dmm goes through setup for beginners and has a handy glitch snare
also overlays the patern from stored value
i love it i bought it for $600 from the us theyre about $1000 now but the new one is faster sample rate 25mhz
handheld is easier to setup and one tool does a lot
the owon ones look good too
but i also have a pico 2332 but very seldom sees the light of day
but in a word the KAL is superb for price and what it does
mac tools sell a mac branded version too
but its dearer and its red
also plugs straight into cigar lighter socket for charging and running
worth a look at the money?
plus usb laptop based scope cheap is hatek its good a mate uses his daily and has done for seven years for 340 dollars its the muts nuts

[MrMike]

Thanks alot for your response guys, i think that i will buy a velleman scope. Would there be any advantages for a user like me to buy the HPS40 over the HPS10? the price seems really good on the hps10.

I like the look of the owon scope but not for 1400AUD.

i will be making a purchase this week so i will let you know how i go.

Thanks again.

[Freund_1]

In my opinion best for Car electronic:
-8 channels
-recording all channels at harddisk more than 1 h.
.......

Diagnostic Shop - E-Shop - Produkte (http://www.diagnostic-shop.de/eshop/motortester-multitester/autoscope/autoscope-produkte/)

[jnoroeste]

Hi M8, I can understand cheap price for hps10 but, is just one channel, very small screen. very very basic features in general.
After short time you will need buy a new one with two channels a least.
For same money search for any usb oscilloscope, believe me I don?t sell any thing, but had experience.
Regards.

[Liteace]

Best thing to do is wait a little while and save a bit more money and get a scope that is made for automotive use. I have bought and sold 2 now and have now ordered a handheld automotive scope

[MrMike]

Hey liteace can you send me a link to the scope your talking about. money isn't really too big of a concern but i just rarely use one. but when i do i need it to be effective.

Cheers

[mehanicos]

Hi every one.

It has to be Pico Scope all the way. May not be the cheapest but the Automotive kit is a brilliant kit.

Its a lap top based so viewing captures on a nice large screen, much better and clearer than a hand held scopes.

Comes with free updates and pre-sets for component tests.

Regards Mike

[Liteace]

i totally agree with you that the Pico is the best but if you want to do a quick check i think a handheld is ideal, no setting up, booting up laptop & plugging all the cables in

[Liteace]

Hey liteace can you send me a link to the scope your talking about. money isn't really too big of a concern but i just rarely use one. but when i do i need it to be effective.

Cheers

Yes I 1st got one of these:

Hatek Electronic co.,Ltd. (http://www.hantek.com.cn)--HandHeld Scopemeter/oscilloscope DSO1060 (http://www.hantek.com.cn/english/produce_list.asp?unid=74)

Very good but more for your TV repair man, sold that and then got a Fluke 123 scopemeter:

Fluke 120 Series Industrial ScopeMeter? (http://us.fluke.com/fluke/usen/Portable-Oscilloscopes/Fluke-120.htm?PID=55999)

Excellent piece of kit but probes and accessories are really expensive. Sold that and have just ordered one of these:

Automotive Diagnostic Tools & Equipment. (http://www.automotive-diagnostic-tools.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=ADL+7103-in-1&Search.x=12&Search.y=6)

It is a code reader as well that I dont really need, should be here in a week or so, so i'll let you know

[Liteace]

Hey liteace can you send me a link to the scope your talking about. money isn't really too big of a concern but i just rarely use one. but when i do i need it to be effective.

Cheers

Yes I 1st got one of these:

Hatek Electronic co.,Ltd. (http://www.hantek.com.cn)--HandHeld Scopemeter/oscilloscope DSO1060 (http://www.hantek.com.cn/english/produce_list.asp?unid=74)

Very good but more for your TV repair man, sold that and then got a Fluke 123 scopemeter:

Fluke 120 Series Industrial ScopeMeter? (http://us.fluke.com/fluke/usen/Portable-Oscilloscopes/Fluke-120.htm?PID=55999)

Excellent piece of kit but probes and accessories are really expensive. Sold that and have just ordered one of these:

Automotive Diagnostic Tools & Equipment. (http://www.automotive-diagnostic-tools.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=ADL+7103-in-1&Search.x=12&Search.y=6)

It is a code reader as well that I dont really need, should be here in a week or so, so i'll let you know

[Liteace]

Sorry for the double post

[stefan]

Hey Guys, i'm in the market for an oscilloscope i used to use a hanatech ultra scan which had the inbuilt scope. i sold that and bought a x431 now i need a new scope. i don't want anything too expensive just something simple and portable so i can check speed sensors, throttle motors etc....

i saw this on ebay USB Handheld Digital Oscilloscope / Pocket Multimeter - eBay Oscilloscopes, Test Equipment, Electrical Test Equipment, Business Industrial. (end time 15-Mar-10 05:35:40 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/USB-Handheld-Digital-Oscilloscope-Pocket-Multimeter_W0QQitemZ120540248099QQcmdZViewItemQQpt ZBI_Oscilloscopes?hash=item1c10c23823#ht_5001wt_11 65)

it looks good but maybe a little cheap on quality. what do you guys think?

If you liked the Hanatech oscilloscope, why not buy from them only oscilloscope: ULTRASCOPE !

[cars]

Written by you on the list of "top oscilloscope for automotive", missing only the Bosch FSA, here's the link:
BOSCH FSA :http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/pdf/FSA720%20FSA740.pdf (http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/pdf/FSA720%)

[elephantul]

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[electromech]

Yes I 1st got one of these:

Hatek Electronic co.,Ltd. (http://www.hantek.com.cn)--HandHeld Scopemeter/oscilloscope DSO1060 (http://www.hantek.com.cn/english/produce_list.asp?unid=74)

Very good but more for your TV repair man, sold that and then got a Fluke 123 scopemeter:

Fluke 120 Series Industrial ScopeMeter? (http://us.fluke.com/fluke/usen/Portable-Oscilloscopes/Fluke-120.htm?PID=55999)

Excellent piece of kit but probes and accessories are really expensive. Sold that and have just ordered one of these:

Automotive Diagnostic Tools & Equipment. (http://www.automotive-diagnostic-tools.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=ADL+7103-in-1&Search.x=12&Search.y=6)

It is a code reader as well that I dont really need, should be here in a week or so, so i'll let you know
Waiting for your review of the scope?

[Liteace]

Waiting for your review of the scope?


Its f********king brilliant, so easy to set up and use and its got all sensor, different type of injectors + more in the menu so just connect, select component from the menu and press run. Its also got ref. waveform for comparison

[electromech]

Ok so i will ask in month or so cause it is clear the novelty hasnt worn off yet ........:jiggin: have you used the Modis already Id just like a comparison

[the_riddler]

Was allways advised, to go for the fastest machine that funds permitted as some sensors, ( if i remember correctly ) later vaux
cam sensors use 200Mhz signals.

could be wrong about sensor it was a while ago i heard that..

[Liteace]

Ok so i will ask in month or so cause it is clear the novelty hasnt worn off yet ........:jiggin: have you used the Modis already Id just like a comparison


"novelty hasnt worn off yet"

well its a needed tool that gets used when needed, I dont scope everything cause I can. Sorry not used Modis

[electromech]

"novelty hasnt worn off yet"

well its a needed tool that gets used when needed, I dont scope everything cause I can. Sorry not used Modis
If i had i scope id be probing the neibourhood girls with it its all about the right tool for the right job have you any pics of the scope cause the link you posted it aint there AND PLEASE KEEP US UPDATED AS YOU USE THE UNIT AS THERE ARE A FEW OF US THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A GOOD ITEM but dont have the BALLS to spit up the bucks just to find we bought a lemon

[mehanicos]

Hi. i had the use of the Modis a while ago to try the scope function.

Then i tried out the Pico. No contest.....Pico all the way.

I did go on a Snap-On course to try out their new Verus or vantage forgot which now but it was the 4 channel scope.

Definately NO Contest... again Pico all the way. also Snap-On were going to charge a yearly subs on the updates of their scope.
Totall madness in my opinion.

Regards MIKE

[the_riddler]

was going to but pico 4-channel but sales at pico, suck big time, so i got fluke 192B instead Only 2 ch but 1 hell of a bit of kit..

[Liteace]

here's a pic of the scope:

Popup Window Image (http://www.tequipment.net/popup.html?ProductImages/UEi/ADL7103.jpg)

I do agree that Pico are the best but as I say if you want to do a quick check then a handheld is the way to go

[andrassh]

I think the PicoScope should be very good! I know someone(professional) who is using this tool every day and its very satisfied with!
The tool has a lot of accessories!
http://www.picoauto.com/vehicle-diagnostic-kits.html

[mehanicos]

I also agree that for a quick check hand held is the way to go.

I am no way a pro with a Pico but it is such a friendly scope to use. I have a Fluke 123 Scopemeter that rarely gets used now.

You do have to fire up the lap top but to see the images on a large computer screen makes it worth while.

Regards Mike

[electromech]

here's a pic of the scope:

Popup Window Image (http://www.tequipment.net/popup.html?ProductImages/UEi/ADL7103.jpg)

I do agree that Pico are the best but as I say if you want to do a quick check then a handheld is the way to go
screen seems abit small but PLEASE keep us updated because I do agree with you it is a pain having to fire up a computer to use and PicoJeff wont respond to my request http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f140/ignition-scope-141559/?highlight=pico in this thread so there goes our discount cause the unit is very pricey

[racin-snake]

was thinking of selling my sun sai3000 4 channel scope same software as modis laptop based scope .
full kit but no current clamps ect far better than entry level hand held four channels too
anyone interested pm me

...........................racin-snake..........http://productforum.autorepairdata.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66&page=2
www.sun-diagnostics.com/intl/en/pdf/Nexus_EN.pdf



www.sun-diagnostics.com/uk/pdf/Eurotech%20_%20SAIS_EN.pdf

[Liteace]

I found an old Ford down in the scrap shed put a battery on it and it started so I connect scope for you for a couple of pics of secondary ignition:

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/44003-liteace/albums/scope/3709-scope1.jpg

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/44003-liteace/albums/scope/3710-scope2.jpg


Thanks to Meat-head

[electromech]

I found an old Ford down in the scrap shed put a battery on it and it started so I connect scope for you for a couple of pics of secondary ignition:

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/44003-liteace/albums/scope/3709-scope1.jpg

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/44003-liteace/albums/scope/3710-scope2.jpg


Thanks to Meat-head
THANKS M8 well now that I see it on a car it looks PERFECT for our application

[racin-snake]

2-Channel Automotive Scope (http://www.automotive-diagnostic-tools.com/2-Channel-Automotive-Scope-p/otc-3840f.htm)
this is the handheld scope i bought good scope plenty of data and gives a clear and easy setup proceedure for testing ect
so when you set up the menu shows what and how to do it
great tool i use picos stuff on it too like current clamp ect
no need for any bmc stuff and is a powerfull graphing dmm too

[rrob311]

Mike if you are on a budget I would get the original snapon Vantage Meter. It is very helpful and fast. Tells you exactly which wires to probe and where. It is my main diagnostic weapon. I upgraded to the Vantage Pro but it is the same Idea just prettier colors.

[mdf12mm]

been using scopes for 30 years and owned quite a few
cheap handhelds are ok but the resolution is nearly always not good enough for anything but basic tests
obviously fluke are very good but still expensive even s/hand
a good alternative often seen on ebay textronix ths 720
nice 2 channel scope with paper white screen very good trace
later models were 200 mhz generally come with very rugged leather case good battery life etc
also bosch pms 100 are decent
original vantage models are not scopes but are graphing multimeters
obviously the boss of scopes are pico 4000 series which we own
but are not cheap or handheld
but to use one with a 21ins lcd monitor is a revelation

HTH

[the_riddler]

Sorry i dis-agree,

A "dedicated" scope, has and will allways be more reliable than any PC based system.

Not looking for fight.....Just "My Opinion"

[cars]

Sorry i dis-agree,

A "dedicated" scope, has and will allways be more reliable than any PC based system.

Not looking for fight.....Just "My Opinion"


A dedicated automotive oscilloscope was born to bear the noise and magnetic fields the peak voltage of the coils and the common rail injection, which is the most powerful oscilloscope laboratory could not digest, it has stairs and programs devoted only to signals present in machines, also a valuable tool with accessories added becomes a motortester to prove current pressures (petrol intake manifolds, turbos, exhaust systems), temperatures, ignition advance, high voltage etc..

[mdf12mm]

" A "dedicated" scope, has and will allways be more reliable than any PC based system "
not looking for a fight either but please expand on this statement and which dedicated scopes and at what price :)
i thought the discussion was about scopes not full featured "motor testers"

[Liteace]

This is the menu of the scope I have, does all and more for what I need

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/44003-liteace/albums/scope/3774-uei7103menu.gif

[racin-snake]

this must have the same software as the kal/otc and spx
good for first look i agree
screens a bit too little for an in depth run but saves the hastle of setup if pc based scope is not already set up
but good tool with great functions

[stefan]

I have some experience with autodiagnostic with oscilloscope and as a developer of automotive scopes. Think that the main difference between the standart Lab Scope and the Automotive Scope is in the possibility to visualize Ignition patterns on a display.
The motortester (engine analayzer) is capable of visualizing short-timed processes like the ignition spark process. This process is exceptionally fast, and the period of repeat of the ignition of sparks in time is many times greater than the time the spark itself exists.
I do not think that it is important upon what platform is the scope-PC or independent.

[racin-snake]

i bought a 2 channel handheld which is superb for a quick setup and look
then i bought an older but albeit good pico 2 channel (second hand ) from a mate
i took time and a bit of effort in setting it up and it did take time so wasnt actually the best idea (my boss was a technophobe)
so then bought a sun sai just for the great properties of ignition captures as this does raster and parade (sorta what ime used to)
but all in all a pico 4000 series would have been an option after all ive spent
to be truthfull i dont get a long time to use the scopes but i find the sun is good for watching the cyl for misfires and weak or rich misfires while the handheld scope goes for an outing on abs and 02 sensors
just a case of a tool easier for the job
but in all honesty ive seen a guy use a hatec 2 channell with amazing results
so time spent and understanding the petterns ..in my oppinion makes the scopes power and a good library to compare makes it better still
all a question really of how much ya use one and how much depth you need to go into
great tool though in all accounts
i even use the handheld for bench testing components
so versatility is another subject as a lot of handhelds are great dmms with graphing facillity
all a case of pays yer money take yer choice

[the_riddler]

Anyting Pc-Based, Downside.....

WINDOWS...

tools can be fantastic... but f-king windows..

[djorgensen]

I've got a Fluke Scope Meter PM97, a little old but still a great hand held scope, I use it all the time.

Nice and simple operation and around ?200 on ebay

[RSwire]

I got this from PICO's web site, the software is free so you can play with it and see what it does before buying the equipment. Take a look it is very nice.



PicoScope6Automotive_r6_4_64.exe (http://www.mediafire.com/?cax7xl4d1o96q6o)

[Liteace]

I've got a Fluke Scope Meter PM97, a little old but still a great hand held scope, I use it all the time.

Nice and simple operation and around ?200 on ebay

Thats ok for sensors but what about when you want to look at ignition

[laldog]

Pico any day,does what it says on the tin!!!

[the_riddler]

Thats ok for sensors but what about when you want to look at ignition

dont know His scope, but my fluke 192b
does perfect primary and secondry

[Liteace]

dont know His scope, but my fluke 192b
does perfect primary and secondry

But your 192b is not 200 quid on Ebay

[sowczas]

I have HPS10 from Maplin nothing special just cheap basic scope if you want something realy good get PicoScope

[lollo54]

i have picoscope 3000 automotive. its very ready.
databank of signal is complete ....

Alternative for me is dso 2090 very simply for use ...

[dijo]

Hi guys, I work for long Time with the Oscilloscope in my garage, and i like to told you my experience...

When I have one error in every car after i check it with my diagnostics IF, i check it with my oscilloscope. If the diagnostic software have right with the error i replace the part and everything is fine if not i have to find the error with mi oscilloscope, and for that i choice one professional, and with 4 channels it is the minimum, better more!

I told you one example, you have one car with slow power and you need to check the air flow meter: You need to check the ground/12V supply/5V signal from ECU and the signal from Air flow meter you need 4 channels! Than you need to check at the same time the Turbo charger, you need one more Chanel for the intake air pressure, for the vacuum at the Turbo charger one more Channel and the EPW valve you need another Chanel and so on. You see that 4 channels is the minimum and more then 4 much better...

Now you need to check the car on the Highway, so you need to record the messing values when you are driving...

And one very important option is when you can define your oscilloscope values after the recording, because it is very unforgettable to selected the measure values before the record... you have to select the time scale / current amplification of every Chanel...

I thing the oscilloscope is essential in the garage, and it is the only one equipment that you can connect to every branch, and was the only one diagnostic tool that at every time says the truth about you measurement

THE ONLY ONE THAT TOULD THE TRUTH!

I wish you the right choice, for your?s :hmmmm2:

Cheers

[MYTO8]

I have a Snap-on Vantage pro. I find it does every thing i need though it is only 2 channel but there are expansion adaptor you can buy that can parade up 8 channels . I noticed a post mentioning it cost to upgrade each year. To that firstly you dont need to upgrade it the only thing that upgrade does is add extra vehicle specfic troubleshooter type information eg wave patten samples connector locations and pinout and test procedures. If you dont want that information dont update i update every couple of years for about $200 The scope function does not change it is very configurable. I also have a 4 channel pc Coda Gas bench but it is a pain to drag out and setup for a quick test.

Ive only used picoscope once and wasnt my cup of tea

[the_riddler]

the main trick to using your scope, is experiance with it and knowing how to unlock its full potential,
there are incredebly powerfull pieces of kit,

i just wish i had "FULL" knowlage with these,

[jo?o antonio]

H? people , I am needing an automotive library , waveforms.

Some ?

Thanks.

[the_riddler]

this is RSWire's post so thanks to him....

there should be a small library. in this

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f152/oscilloscope-opinions-101203/index4.html#post737966

[Liteace]

the main trick to using your scope, is experiance with it and knowing how to unlock its full potential,
there are incredebly powerfull pieces of kit,

i just wish i had "FULL" knowlage with these,


Since ive had mine, Ive done more reading than Ive ever done in my life, dont think i even done as much at school as Im doing now, Ive bought books and spent hours & hours on the internet, when I have a piece of equipment like a scope I have to know 110% how it works and how to use it or it not worth having

[Mrubbert]

Then i think welleman 10 will be good to see if sensors are alive. And if no codes stored and all sensors alive then i leave this pain is as "out of sync" fault to some one with many channels and many books.

Hopfully i fix 2 other cars in time of 1 one tuff blind chase and change. :rock:

BR.

[Mrubbert]

Typical, when its time to order then i change my mind about these lowprice scopemeters. Welleman 10 seems simply be to slow for injector pulses.

Now i dont think like a lazy person, its to big difference.
And will absolutley order Hantek DSO-2090.

+ Almost same price of velleman 10
+ 2 channels
+ Persistence mode (colorshift)(hope its true)
+ 40mhz
+ 17inch colordisplay
+ TERRABYTE WITH SPACE

These ++++++ are to importent and to high risk glitches passthrough.

That means the pain in as car stays in my garage !


Words from other 30 years in mecanic:
You got more beels and whissels with 300 euro scopes.
More help how to use in software, more autosetup.........
That means, have you not read the books then buy one with inbuild helpfunctions.

No directly point to anyone just want to help low budget people !


BR.

[tapiru]

Typical, when its time to order then i change my mind about these lowprice scopemeters. Welleman 10 seems simply be to slow for injector pulses.

Now i dont think like a lazy person, its to big difference.
And will absolutley order Hantek DSO-2090.

+ Almost same price of velleman 10
+ 2 channels
+ Persistence mode (colorshift)(hope its true)
+ 40mhz
+ 17inch colordisplay
+ TERRABYTE WITH SPACE

These ++++++ are to importent and to high risk glitches passthrough.

That means the pain in as car stays in my garage !


Words from other 30 years in mecanic:
You got more beels and whissels with 300 euro scopes.
More help how to use in software, more autosetup.........
That means, have you not read the books then buy one with inbuild helpfunctions.

No directly point to anyone just want to help low budget people !


BR.
Hello m8
I am iterested in same brand scope but I intended to buy the DSO-2150USB.
Please explain me why you think DSO-2090 is better like DSO-2150?
I am a beginner in this domain and not understand all that technic specification for this two products.Same time until I learn how to handle this tool I wish not buy some too complicate device and be too hard for me to understand it.
For others members who can give me an advice here is the web pege with this two devices and others more poverful:
Products List_Hatek Electronic co.,Ltd._http://www.hantek.com.cn (http://www.hantek.net/english/produce.asp?classid=29).
Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!

[rocris]

Hi,
DSO 2090 is a good tool, you can buy it in CONRAD shops too, arround 200 euros

[Liteace]

I dont think they are a good tool for automotive use

[stefan]

Please be in mind that I am have commercial interested in this topic.
For automotive use oscilloscope must be include specific options. Ordinary lab scopes are not appropriate in most cases.

. There lack of specialized software to diagnose of the ignition system
. There is no possibility for #1 cylinder synchronization
. Input voltage range is usually no more than +/- 50V
. There is no way to monitor signals from the slow variable sensors
. and etc.

[dijo]

Please be in mind that I am have commercial interested in this topic.
For automotive use oscilloscope must be include specific options. Ordinary lab scopes are not appropriate in most cases.

. There lack of specialized software to diagnose of the ignition system
. There is no possibility for #1 cylinder synchronization
. Input voltage range is usually no more than +/- 50V
. There is no way to monitor signals from the slow variable sensors
. and etc.

Yes M8, i agree 100% :dito:

Also it is very important to save you measurement, and diagnostic on your PC screen the save file...

I compere one low cost Oscilloscope with climb the EVEREST,
It is impossible to climb the EVEREST with swimsuit, you need the appropriate equipment...
:wink:
AUTOMOTIVE OSCILLOSCOPE

[demos70]

Hi guys, I work for long Time with the Oscilloscope in my garage, and i like to told you my experience...

When I have one error in every car after i check it with my diagnostics IF, i check it with my oscilloscope. If the diagnostic software have right with the error i replace the part and everything is fine if not i have to find the error with mi oscilloscope, and for that i choice one professional, and with 4 channels it is the minimum, better more!

I told you one example, you have one car with slow power and you need to check the air flow meter: You need to check the ground/12V supply/5V signal from ECU and the signal from Air flow meter you need 4 channels! Than you need to check at the same time the Turbo charger, you need one more Chanel for the intake air pressure, for the vacuum at the Turbo charger one more Channel and the EPW valve you need another Chanel and so on. You see that 4 channels is the minimum and more then 4 much better...

Now you need to check the car on the Highway, so you need to record the messing values when you are driving...

And one very important option is when you can define your oscilloscope values after the recording, because it is very unforgettable to selected the measure values before the record... you have to select the time scale / current amplification of every Chanel...

I thing the oscilloscope is essential in the garage, and it is the only one equipment that you can connect to every branch, and was the only one diagnostic tool that at every time says the truth about you measurement

THE ONLY ONE THAT TOULD THE TRUTH!

I wish you the right choice, for your?s :hmmmm2:

Cheers

This post has made me curious to know what model/brand of scope are you using?
Thanks!

[rrob311]

The Old Bear Machines are Great Auto Scopes. Very big and heavy but they have a boom with all the leads. Mine had a timing light built in, carbon pile load tester built in, gas analyzer. It was a full ignition scope as well. I had to get rid of it due to lack of space unfortunately.

[dijo]

This post has made me curious to know what model/brand of scope are you using?
Thanks!

Hi M8, look here (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f152/oscilloscope-154805/)post:4

[racin-snake]

there may be a new scope in the pipeline :willy:
a new automotive based 2 and four channel scope to match the pico 3000 series
dunno if it will match the 4000 but its price might be the decider ..ile keep ya posted for price ect
but have a look
if it does anything as good as it looks then an advesary to pico i might think
DSO3000Series Four-Channel Pc Oscilloscope_Hatek Electronic co.,Ltd._http://www.hantek.com.cn (http://www.hantek.com.cn/english/produce_list.asp?unid=93)

[Liteace]

there may be a new scope in the pipeline :willy:
a new automotive based 2 and four channel scope to match if not better the pico 3000 series
dunno if it will match the 4000 but its price might be the decider ..ile keep ya posted for price ect
but have a look
if it does anything as good as it looks then an advesary to pico i might think
DSO3000Series Four-Channel Pc Oscilloscope_Hatek Electronic co.,Ltd._http://www.hantek.com.cn (http://www.hantek.com.cn/english/produce_list.asp?unid=93)

Looks good but you just dont know whats inside the fancy box

[racin-snake]

if you read the specs you will see whats in the fancy box mate ???
buy 1 handheld scope and suddenly your an authority
read the data then have a dig ?

[Liteace]

if you read the specs you will see whats in the fancy box mate ???
buy 1 handheld scope and suddenly your an authority
read the data then have a dig ?

Mate im not an authority no where near but if you look back I have had 3 scopes, one of them i opened just to have a look inside and I was not impressed with what I see

[racin-snake]

most of us if not all of us will never open a scope whats the point ?
if it does what the specs say and has a decent waranty i dont see your point as being valid ?

as for the electronics would you know what you were looking at ?
no point in dissing something for what you cant fathom

a wise man speaks when he has something to say
the fool speaks because he has to say something

[Liteace]

most of us if not all of us will never open a scope whats the point ?
if it does what the specs say and has a decent waranty i dont see your point as being valid ?

as for the electronics would you know what you were looking at ?
no point in dissing something for what you cant fathom

a wise man speaks when he has something to say
the fool speaks because he has to say something



I do know when a PCB has been trimmed down to its minimum so its nice and compact and that the micro components that are attched to the board have been fitted by a robot because it's not physically possible for a human to do it as with all electronics today. I also know when something looks like a kid has made it in a school out of copper strip PCB and a bunch of components that look like they're from the eighties, components cut of the PCB and moved somewhere else with bit of extension wire, it looked like a fooook it, it works so we're leave it at that prototype, . If that what your used to working with then go for it. Me i prefer something with a little more build quality

[racin-snake]

ok then have you opened your other two scopes
to see if they are this way ?
more to the point have you seen inside any other scope ?
and if i bought a pico why would i open it to see ?
if it works why would i ?
your argument is based on a situation where you bought a cheap handheld and found it not to your liking
if you READ the sites info these guys hanatek have been making oscilloscopes for over 30 years
ime sure they are not doing it by hand or child labour
as for the pretty box yea it looks good
but read the facts of what it can do and what lineage it comes from i do not think hanatek would embark on a
derived automotive oscilloscope without testing
but next time you feel the need to take a product down do it with a bit of knowledge of the product and some thought out
criticism
i showed an alternative to the constant search for a good scope with real capabilities
and yet you come back with this nonsence
go have a look mate or dont bother your choice but please dont comment on what you dont know
as for the last bit build quality ?
you asked me to find a scope cheap thats what you were lookin for so dont talk crap mate
you have just got out of the diagnotic sleep mate
you know =barely ~~~~all
yet you challenge someone with this mince
go back to sleep pall your out of your league

[Liteace]

Maybe the guys at hanatech Welcome to Hanatech Co.,LTD. (http://www.hanatech.net/) (professional diagnostics equipment)

have been making scopes for over 30 years BUT the guys at

Hantek Hantek (http://www.hantek.com.cn/english/index.asp) (DSO3000 Series that your raving about)

have not, if you read you will see that that they are 2 completely different companies, one is called Hanatech the other is Hantek, this new scope you are raving about is not made by Hanatech & nowhere not nowhere does it say that the DSO3000 Series is an automotive scope. so get your fact straight before pointing people in the wrong direction and letting them think they are going to get a Pico equivalent when they are not. You need more sleep

[racin-snake]

they are devisions of the same company mate have a better look
dont try to cover your tracks buy defining your initial buy on this level
you have barely even had a scope 7 months believe me i know
and as for the other comments as of build quality what would you know ?
if it works it works
i have no problem with that
also why would hanatek endorse a scope if it wasnt what they thought was ok ?
i can see your so green that if it was in front of you you still wouldnt see
remember i have spoken to you personally and even if it was a good board albeit older style
you wouldnt have a clue ...

[Liteace]

Mate, if you read the Hantek about us site it says

"Since the launch of Hantek USB series oscilloscope in 2001, more than.............................."

I cant see that being 30 years can you, whatever way I look at it, it 9 years, get your fact straight before kicking off as for "devisions of the same company" you are talking out your arse, read this:

History_Hatek Electronic co.,Ltd._http://www.hantek.com.cn (http://www.hantek.com.cn/english/lishi.asp)

[racin-snake]

look again mate thier parent company is hanatek if anyones talking out their arse mate you better start looking behind ya
pesonally think do what ya want and do what ya do
i will look at this with the merits it deserves and guys i know use the thing
meanwhile ile be lighter in the knowledge that if its working leave it alone

i dont have to justify this it may do it on its own just an option when buying a scope to look at
and recomendation comming from a guy who does know what a pc based scope can and wont do
ile hedge me bets on a guy with knowledge ta

[Mjolinor]

And all this crap is helping people decide what to get? How does that work then?

[racin-snake]

i only offered an option on a scope and
it was picked up and threw back as being a load of crap without a real look
only an option for a scope nowt more
and because someone else bought a cheap handheld lab scope to do automotive work decided it wasnt viable
posted as cheap option to maybe give someone a look at a scope other than a pico for pc based stuff
other than that ????

[Liteace]

Its wasnt picked up and thrown back as being a load of crap, all I said in the beginning was:

Looks good but you just dont know whats inside the fancy box

That was picked up on and then it started, enough said by me im going to leave it at that

[Liteace]

And all this crap is helping people decide what to get? How does that work then?

Im sorry about all that, forums are for discussions and this one got a little heated, still everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I hope its not offended anyone

[mdf12mm]

The hantek looks ok but has only 8 bit resolution
The picoscope automotive scopes have 12 bit resolution
would be interested to see the price difference

[racin-snake]

usefull bit of info i hadnt noticed that
cheers for pointing it out mate
any rundown on other specs as i am seriously
thinking about bying this if and when its marketed here
all in what do ya think of it as a tool i have a pico 2 channel an older one but serves the purpose as i need for now
but if i did upgrade would this (if cheap enough ) be a worthwhile buy bearing in mind the price is speculative for now ?
it looks more rugged (hashy bugger me )
but for now its interesting
if you guys can pick its bones a bit would be appreciated :rolleyes:
cheers mdf12mm

[Liteace]

The hantek looks ok but has only 8 bit resolution
The picoscope automotive scopes have 12 bit resolution
would be interested to see the price difference

Dont forget the pico is THE automotive scope as the software is set up for the job as well as the probes and connectors where as the Hantek is usb scope with standard probes, so you will be paying a bit or a lot more for that

[Liteace]

Just found a site in China selling these and they work out for the DSO 3000 about €240 that about 200quid

[racin-snake]

http://www.picotech.com/document/pdf/ps3000a044.pdf
even the older 3000 series had 12 bit resolution
maybe a sh 3000 would fit the purpose
but all pico scopes are usb ...
maybe ask hatek for a pdf of specs to really compare
and maybe get a bit of info on pricing
annyhoo another option to chew on
also while its on this about scopes
i found a site in china that do leads ect and attenuators
i bought a couple of attenuators to try about three weeks ago
33 quid delivered...... last ~~~~er i bought cost 50 for one plus shipping
anyway the site has got a lot of stuff ie amp clamps and scope dmm stuff
http://www.aidetek.com/
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-20-1-Attenuator-4-Oscilloscope-waveform-up-300V-/290432297582?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item439f1d2a6e
might come in usefull ?

[PierreTheron]

Had no words for this
Great topic
All I can say
Regards:coffin::egg::slug:

[bigdiez]

what about AVL DiScope 990 or for Daimler HMS 990 !

Works on any vehicle - Enter the Make and Model of the vehicle and the DISCOPE 990 sets itself up for the specific voltage and time parameters required. No fussy settings to fiddle with.
Portable - with 12V or 240V power DISCOPE 990 can be taken "On the road" for intermittent fault diagnosis
PC or Laptop Flexibility - Can be used with error code software, overhead projectors, several monitors at once for training environments, vehicle data on CD ROM, client databases with stored waveforms etc. etc.
Interactive Diagnostic Manual - Diagnose easily from the Symptom to the Fault with the interactive Diagnostic Software Manual
3 Incredibly Clear Scopes - Ignition, 2 Channel Lab. & 12 Channel Sensor. Can record up to 12 different wave forms at once, while perhaps 2 are viewed. The remainder can be stored for diagnosis at any time!
Complete "DIS" Capability - Secondary patterns for up to 12 cylinders if required.
Total Sensor Coverage - ABS, Lambda etc. with stored waveforms for comparisons
Engine Tests - Start, Battery, Compression, True Running (cylinder balance) etc.
Multimeter - Highly specified with large, clear read out; Max/Min, Avg. values etc.
OBDII - Hardware ready now.
Portable 4/5 Gas Options - All software integrated into the HMS 990 displays.

[bonecrusher]

here is a link for a list of automotive scopes,price is way out but I am sure can be sourced elsewhere. One more thing guys

Is there an automotive scope in the 500quid range and is not pc based?

[bonecrusher]

Scope (http://www.aecs.net/products/scope.php)

[Liteace]

here is a link for a list of automotive scopes,price is way out but I am sure can be sourced elsewhere. One more thing guys

Is there an automotive scope in the 500quid range and is not pc based?

There's this one:

UniSource S 2800 1 MHz 2CH Programmable Automotive Scope Meter UniSource S2800 on Sale at Test Equipment Depot (http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/unisource/oscilloscope/s2800.htm)

[juliooctavio]

Nothing like my Pico scope 4 chanel serie 4000 :rock:

[chris_e36_328]

Great topic, many thanks for info to everybody contributing :-)

[turner]

Hi Guys

Interesting thread, usual problems though with people flaring up, seems to go with the topic.

IMHO the real problem is that there is such a wide variety of products and also a wide variation in the skills that people have to use them with.

On top of that there is also a wide range of reasons why people choose to use a scope, some when all else fails, others use a scope for everthing!

So IMHO that is why these discussions whilst interesting always manage to leave everyone wondering what they have learned at the end of it all.

I have been using scopes since the '70's and know a little about them, I have even started selling some automotive scopes recently to meet the needs of a particular group of users. They would probably be too expensive for most people, only mentioning them to get it out in the open, dont want people saying I am biased!

I believe that many people buy the wrong scope for their needs first or even second time round too, learning from their purchase and buying something more suitable soon afterwards.

Clearly it would be nice to have a simple guide to buying a scope, but for the reasons I mentioned earlier its not as simple as it seems.

Just an idea though, I would be happy to try to point people in the right direction, if you want some help, just pm me with details of why you want a scope and what you expect it to do for you.

Maybe with the info I get from trying to help I can put together a cheat sheet for all the reasons that come up that will make the choice simpler.

Please note, i am not putting myself forward as an "expert" just thought I would try to be helpful

Eric

[dijo]

Hi guys,

I think every one have to by one Oscilloscope like the importance that they give...

I now a lot of garages that think it is not important to have it...

By the way, for me it is the most important diagnostic tool in the garage... today 1000 times most important then for 10 Years...

Good Luck in your choice!:celticparty:

[nutloose]

Is there an automotive scope in the 500quid range and is not pc based?


snap-on/sun LS2000

ebay 270627869936 (example)

good automotive scope

[chris_e36_328]

Hi Guys

On top of that there is also a wide range of reasons why people choose to use a scope, some when all else fails, others use a scope for everthing!

I believe that many people buy the wrong scope for their needs first or even second time round too, learning from their purchase and buying something more suitable soon afterwards.

Clearly it would be nice to have a simple guide to buying a scope, but for the reasons I mentioned earlier its not as simple as it seems.

Maybe [...] I can put together a cheat sheet for all the reasons that come up that will make the choice simpler.

Eric

That's a top idea Eric. It would come in very handy for those who are not sure what to buy. Could save waisting money on something that might not be of any practical use for a particular application.

[the_riddler]

ITS all about "personal preforence"

Even an old 20Mhz 2-Channel Bench top scope will do the job
( a little slow, for some sensors) But will work with the correct setup!!
The best scope in the world, will still be a piece of Siht if the opperator does not know "how" to use it properly..

[Liteace]

I can now see what went wrong and where the confusion was. If you type in, in your google "hanatek oscilloscope" google asks you "Did you mean: hantek oscilloscope" so you click on the 1st one and get taken to the Hantek site then you can look at what you want, if you click on for example "Four-Channel Pc Oscilloscope" you get taken to the DSO3000, now seing as Hanatech only make automotive diagnostics equipment you assume that you are on there site and you think wow a new automotive scope but you are not on the Hanatech site you are on the Hantek site. I email Hanatech (automotive diagnostics equipment specialists) and asked them if they was in anyway associated with Hantek (manufactoria of the DSO3000) and they said:


Thank you for your enquiry with our colleagues at Hanatech.
Hanatech Korea, is not associated with Hantek in China.

If there is anything we can do to assist please drop us an email to advise how we can help.

Support Team.

So if you are looking for a scope and your a little tired maybe, please check where you are and what site your on before Getting all exited



http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/44003-liteace/albums/scope/3836-email4.png

[racin-snake]

cool that saves me from lookin for that lol

[Liteace]

Spec and price can be found here for the DSO3000 series, the site is in chinese just click the translate button on your google toolbar, if you have one

http://detail.china.alibaba.com/buyer/offerdetail/683869679.html?offerId=683869679&domainId=carliqd

Line 11 says:

" 20I kind of automatic measurement functions, PASS/FAIL CheckFunction,Suitable for engineering applications"


please dont read it as AUTOMOTIVE MEASUREMENT or you may get the wrong idea

[racin-snake]

please dont read it as AUTOMOTIVE MEASUREMENT or you may get the wrong idea mmmmm????


* Up to4analog channels and external trigger, 16digital channel Logic Analyzer, 25MHzarbitrary waveform signal generator, 6000 COUNTSmultimeter,hardware frequency counter,clock generator, FFTspectrum analysis.
? 32M- 2Gmemory depth, 150MS/s--5GS/sreal-time sampling rate,high refresh rate.
? 60MHz-700MHzbandwidth.
? 8 - 36Vwide voltage input range,for automotive power supply testing.XXXXXXXXXX
* easily combined400channels of simultaneous oscilloscope. (to plus Division I sync board)
? USBplug and play,Network InterfaceLANand wireless networkWIFIoptional,easy networking,remote control.
? 8-14 BITSmulti-resolution options.
* excellent industrial design,and desktop interface similar to the oscilloscope,easy to fly.
* suitable for notebook computers, product line maintenance, easily on business.
* Software support: Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP, VISTA, Windows 7,
* 20kinds of measurement functions, PASS / FAIL Checkfunction,suitable for engineering application.
* Waveform average,afterglow,brightness adjustment,reverse,plus,minus,multiplication,addit ion, XYdisplay
* waveform data can be time-and voltage output toEXCEL, BMP, JPG.
* A computer can connect many DSO,extend channel easily.
* secondary development library provides, Labview \ VB \ VC \ Delphi \ C + + Builderdevelopers to provide examples

Mode Analog Channels Digital Channels AFG DMM BandWidth Sample Rate ETS Resulution
DSO3064 4 Channel - - - 60 MHz 200Ms / S 50Gs / S 8
DSO3064A 4 Channel - 25MHz - 60 MHz 200Ms / S 50Gs / S 8
DSO3062L 2 Channel 16 Channel 25MHz - 60 MHz 200Ms / S 50Gs / S 8
DSO3062AL 2 Channel 16 Channel 25MHz - 60 MHz 200Ms / S 50Gs / S 8
DSO3062ALM 2 Channel 16 Channel 25MHz V, OHM, I, F, D, C 60 MHz 200Ms / S 50Gs / S 8

look a few dots on the sidebar and read again mate you will see .8-36volts for automotive power supply testing

I HAVE MARKED IT WITH XXXXXX

this scope as stated before is under development and as stated before it could have great automotive capabilities for little cost
but as also stated has not yet been priced .....
as you can see by this
http://detail.china.alibaba.com/buye...mainId=carliqd (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fdetail.china.alibaba.com%2F buyer%2Fofferdetail%2F683869679.html%3FofferId%3D6 83869679%26domainId%3Dcarliqd) under development

i wasnt tired tonite so whats your excuse ?

[Liteace]

I was thinking more software capabilities than hardware, I cant see the point infront of the 8, hope it is point 8 and not 8-36 volt, even at point 8 would that be ok for the 0.2 volts to 0.8 volts lambda tests & dont injector coil release spikes range from 30 to 100v.

[racin-snake]

the software capabilities should be much greater than any handheld unit including hardware
also as also stated i know a master tech uses a hantek scope daily to great effect and has doine for six years
also a lot of data can be lost in translation to english as you will see when you start using the launch ?
this unit as stated is not in full production yet merely giving guys who can and will need a cheap alt to pico or others mose capabilities
that if you look back is what was posted in the first place
amd 02 sensor testing would require 0.0-1.0v ...as it can 0 out in over run and at full 1.0v is max for readings

[Liteace]

What Hantek does he use the handheld or the USB ?

[racin-snake]

2 chanel usb ..and gets superb results ...

[valli]

I use my Owon for 3 years now i still think it is best choice for automotive use , 2 channel color display handheld , very good trigger for one time shot , still stop with extended zoom , multimeter with 20A function included
I specially don't like laptop scope adapters like pico or so because i already have my laptop full of plugged diagnose adapters and to many windows open with diagrams and repairs instructions

HDS1022M-N Handheld 20Mhz 2-ch Color LCD Scope + Accessories ($589.00) : Saelig Online Store (http://www.saelig.com/MFR00062/PSSA017.htm)
Or you can take cheaper from China ( around USD450 plus shipping )

[vintageroad]

bosch fsa 450 4 channel scope specialy for automotive. pc compatible. verry nice 20 ghz. or pico is also ok.

[del635]

Great topic I am much more confident now in what to buy though still havent decided for 100%, it will be cheap as possible to start and pc based then pico if the cheapo earns me anything as usual. I always favour pc based tools hard to beat a loaded mini toughbook, nothing more powerfull imo handier and easier used on the move than a standalone tool like launch *again imo!
Anyway this might be of use to some who arent quite sure what these are for:
Autonerdz (http://www.autonerdz.com/clst.htm)
Maybe there should be a thread started on here of known good patterns.......
Anyone any good reading or books with regards to using an oscilloscope?

[racin-snake]

just an update on this thread
Hatek have introduced a few kits based around the dso3000series

DSO3064 KitIIII,Automotive Diagnostic Oscilloscope_Hatek Electronic co.,Ltd._http://www.hantek.com.cn (http://www.hantek.com.cn/english/produce_list.asp?unid=127)

full kits or the accesories can be bought seperate
the spec and price speak volumes
this kit will still cost far less than a grand
the oscilloscope on its own is around 300 quid (gbp)
its now all available and well worth a look ?
as stated earlier in this thread that the scope was in fact under development
and will grow i think
but it looks like it was worth the wait
more the automotive tool than first supposed by some lol

[Liteace]

just an update on this thread
Hatek have introduced a few kits based around the dso3000series

DSO3064 KitIIII,Automotive Diagnostic Oscilloscope_Hatek Electronic co.,Ltd._http://www.hantek.com.cn (http://www.hantek.com.cn/english/produce_list.asp?unid=127)

full kits or the accesories can be bought seperate
the spec and price speak volumes
this kit will still cost far less than a grand
the oscilloscope on its own is around 300 quid (gbp)
its now all available and well worth a look ?
as stated earlier in this thread that the scope was in fact under development
and will grow i think
but it looks like it was worth the wait
more the automotive tool than first supposed by some lol




Anyone got one of these yet so they can give us an update on it ????????????????????????????????????????????

[Mrubbert]

Refresh if any tryed Hantek DSO3064 Automotive Kit yet ?

Think it only can record 1 channel at time ? shit if so.
Lots of preset:
30 Different sensor test
14 - Ignition test
4- Bus diagnos
10 - injector test
7 - startup and charge

Hantek 400 euro
Pico 2400 euro

Think i will try Hantek first.

[Liteace]

OH NO, no this one again dug up again, go for it we're all dying to know, its might be the dogs danglies and well up there with the Pico

[Mrubbert]

He he, funny thread.
We all know Pico is better but not if it is 2000 euro better.
Have nothing good to compare with so have to simulate faults to test and learn.

Enough that i find faults NOT super extra on everything.
Prefer to put that 2000 euro on OEM tools.
I will be back.

[Emgo]

The Fluke 190 series are good scopes for automotive use. The used ones on Ebay are not extremely expensive. It's not uncommon for the ones with black and white screens to develop black lines across the screen. There is a guy (right click computer services) on eBay who has a fix for this problem for about $100 US. I purchased a 199 with this problem really cheap and had him repair it. I think I had about $300 in it after the repair and it worked great.

Emgo

[Mrubbert]

Seller told me that Hantek cant deliver clampmeters right now ? if so 180 usd/ pcs.

DSO3064 KIT-V + 2 clampmeters 900 usd
Similar pico kit 2300 usd


Can see that Pico have clampmeters in stock- 132usd and 163usd/pcs (easy choice)

[ljbp]

I use my Owon for 3 years now i still think it is best choice for automotive use , 2 channel color display handheld , very good trigger for one time shot , still stop with extended zoom , multimeter with 20A function included
I specially don't like laptop scope adapters like pico or so because i already have my laptop full of plugged diagnose adapters and to many windows open with diagrams and repairs instructions

HDS1022M-N Handheld 20Mhz 2-ch Color LCD Scope + Accessories ($589.00) : Saelig Online Store (http://www.saelig.com/MFR00062/PSSA017.htm)
Or you can take cheaper from China ( around USD450 plus shipping )

I agree with valli. I have the same oscilloscope, and I couldn't be happier. Bang for buck it's a great choice.

[Mrubbert]

Hantek mail answer:

There's no record mode ( dynamic data saving) function for DSO3064,
only can save static waveform screenshots at present.
Yes, pico currentclamp can work on our DSO3064.
Our currentclamp price can be offered when the goods launching (i.e. at the end of this year).

I am NOT ocillofagot and droped intrest, and ordered some OEM insteed.
Think they will be very good after recordupgrade !

[Liteace]

Dont want to drag this one up again but just had to after finding this, This is the 1300 quid Sealey TA 4000 automotive scope :

Sealey (http://www.sealey.co.uk/PLPageBuilder.asp?id=20&method=mViewProduct&productid=15453)

and this is the 300 quid Hantek 3064 automotive scope :

DSO3064 Kit III,Automotive Diagnostic Oscilloscope_Hatek Electronic co.,Ltd._http://www.hantek.com.cn (http://www.hantek.com/english/produce_list.asp?unid=125)

Have a look at the pages of the of both the Instruction manuals, content page, page 2 looks exactly the same as do most of the other pages

[electromech]

hantek dont look bad where to buy?

[Larue]

Seems like the same story as SnapOn diagnostics tool...
Have you bought one of them?

[Liteace]

No chance, after the last pile of shite I had from Hantek i'll never touch anything they make again

[borysgo2]

HandHeld oscilloscope DSO1060_Hatek Electronic co.,Ltd._http://www.hantek.com.cn (http://www.hantek.com.cn/english/produce_list.asp?unid=79)

I am using over 2 yeares dso1060 and for automotive use is very good. Trigger is acurate and very fast with good options (its very important for automotive scope), battery holds charge very well. Screen is readable even in very bright day. On the bench i can check if clock is working or not (this depends how good is your sonde - impedance anc capacity, but standard ones are good enough). Good feature is usb memory - can save readings for further reference.
For checking can, abs sensors, crankshaft/camshaft synchro is very good - two channels are enough.
But there is one downside - size of the data buffer - for automotive scope should be bigger.
Multimeter is not the fastest one, continuity tester is rather slow but acurate.
If I would have to buy scope again I would buy Hantek one.

And there is posibility to hack firmware to get higher spec scope buying basic one - plenty info on net.

I had an oportunity to work quite a lot with fluke 123 handheld scope - I was very unhappy with it, auto trigger disaster, screan (especially in low ambient temps) had very bad delay. Plenty noises in the signal (i didint found signal smooth levels). While checking clock (quartz resonator) it was turning off due to too high sonde impedance. Generally speaking the same job with dso1060 i was doing 10x times faster and more relible. Positive side was - continuity tester fast like a bullet and as far i remember there was option to meassure resistance in circuit !!


OWON HDS1022M-N
I had that one too, very compact, battery not bad, trigger - i wasnt happy with it at all, for automotive scope trigger has to be like Chuck Norris, waazzza and in miliseconds we have signal on screan - owon isnt like that. Downside is that it hasn't got separate buttons for most functions and scrolling threw menu every time was very anoying. Screan in very bright day i hard to read. I wouldn't buy it again.


Hantek 3064

According to spec if it really has up to 16M samples buffer it is very good choice for automotive scope. But I wouldnt buy it becouse is too messy to wire it up - job is not as effective as with handhald scope.

[Larue]

No chance, after the last pile of shite I had from Hantek i'll never touch anything they make again
What did you bought from them?
I was thinking to buy some from Hantek.

[Liteace]

What did you bought from them?
I was thinking to buy some from Hantek.

I had 2, dso1060 1 after the other as they both had problem with firmware and locking up and all sorts of problems, I opened one up and as I said before Ive never seen anything like it inside

[borysgo2]

I had 2, dso1060 1 after the other as they both had problem with firmware and locking up and all sorts of problems, I opened one up and as I said before Ive never seen anything like it inside

I have never any problem with firmware, system freeze restart or wathever (over 2 yeares not even one small problem).


There is another cheapy one on the game

My 'new' Uni-Trend UTD1025C DSO has arrived - love it ! - Page 1 (http://www.eevblog.com/forum/product-reviews-photos-and-discussion/my-'new'-uni-trend-utd1025c-dso-has-arrived-love-it-!/)

[teuton]

I'm using the HANTECH 3064 for some 6 month and n my opinion it's marvelous. No issues, does what it should!! At 1/4 of pico prize.

[Liteace]

I'm using the HANTECH 3064 for some 6 month and n my opinion it's marvelous. No issues, does what it should!! At 1/4 of pico prize.


HANTECH or HANTEK ???

[teuton]

HANTECH or HANTEK ???


Hantek, of course.....

[paddyp]

My dad uses a hantek for about 4 years had some initial problems with the trigger that was fixed by a software update from hantek. The proper hp oscilloscope almost never gets a look in now. He does use the hp probes on the hantek though so maybe people who have had problems are using rubbish probes.

[cbp]

I sell automotive equipment ( 30 years).
I am very familiar with automotive lab scopes.
I cannot say who has the best, because there are many to choose from, but what I can do is to suggest what to look for the best performance for the automotive meassurements.

Below my humble opinion:
1. Input impedance must be 10 megaohm ( computer safe and sensor safe readings, and also no expensive leads with the switch 1x and 10x)

2. Internal shield ( no need to use expensive leads that always get damaged.)

3. total control on time ( 1 ms to 1 sec), voltage ( 0,100 v to 100 v by section, trigger control automatic or slope defined)

4. automatic frequency counter or manual.

5. Backlit screen

6. recording capability

7. internal rechargable battery

8. Pc interface to download or upload images.

9. MOST IMPORTANT 10 MHZ OR UP !!!! dont loose you money on those less than 10 mhz, the higher the speed the more accurate readings period !!

10. 1 or 2 channels ( trace) or more....it all depends on what you are looking for...for my expirence I always use 1 trace..for example last year I had only 2 needs to use a 2 trace lab scope, and I do more than 1000 readings helping my customers...but again is your choice depending of your needs to use 1 channel or over.

11. screen, well this is up your budget, color or monochrome. But size does matters, and also pixel, look for the higher resolution you can get for the dolar spent.

12. Handheld or PC , well this is a question of mobility rather than performance, some PC based are very good, expensive sometimes, but the problem on using a laptop in a very rough enviroment would ruin the hard drive first because the vibration, and second the dust and dirty hands would ruin your keyboard...trust me, it happens all the time. But if think to spent $ 3000 on a panasonic tough book ( military specs) that can handle a battle under fire...well would it be better to buy a handheld for half of that amount? think about it...

I hope this help all of you guys looking for a bang for each buck spent on you new automotive lab scope...

[Larue]

Another option what i was thinking to buy is this
InjectorService.com.ua?•?USB Autoscope III (http://injectorservice.com.ua/oscilloscope3.php)

I have seen older version in work and it seems to be pretty good.
Haven't emailed them about prices yet.
May be somebody has that version 3 and can post his opinion?

[spons123]

anyone got this program

Gallerij | ATIS | Automotive-producten (http://www.tiepie.com/nl/products/Automotive/ATIS/Gallery)
GMTO Labscope ATS5004D diagnose MAP-sensor (NL) - YouTube

should it work whit the hantek?

looks like a very nice program to use whit a scope

[Liteace]

The program doesnt work WITH the scope, its just like an AD, TD or Esi that shows wiring, connections and waveforms, for ?485 they fooook right off


Sad music on that Utube vid, I was neally in tears :bawling:

[borysgo2]

anyone got this program

Gallerij | ATIS | Automotive-producten (http://www.tiepie.com/nl/products/Automotive/ATIS/Gallery)
GMTO Labscope ATS5004D diagnose MAP-sensor (NL) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS3LQxs7gpk&feature=player_embedded)

should it work whit the hantek?

looks like a very nice program to use whit a scope


I do not know how about soft but mussic nearle broke me down - like in funeral home:sleep:

[milanoffracing]

Another option what i was thinking to buy is this
InjectorService.com.ua*•*USB Autoscope III (http://injectorservice.com.ua/oscilloscope3.php)

I have seen older version in work and it seems to be pretty good.
Haven't emailed them about prices yet.
May be somebody has that version 3 and can post his opinion?

Very good choise M8.I have USB Autoscope 2 from more than 5 years and I'm very happy with my one. USB Autoscope 2 cost me 800 euro with full set of probes.

[ianboyle]

Very informative forum alright. I'm quite torn between the pico 4 scope kit and the cheaper alternative DSO3064 kit.

It seems the DSO kit doesn't come with the 65 and 650 current clamps and the software isn't as advanced. So by the time you buy the useful extra bits and pieces that come with the pico there doesn't seem to be as much savings in it.

Whats the verdict then, do you guys think of current clamps as a necessity on scopes?

Anyone use the firstlook or WPS500X from pico before, any opinions on those?

[Liteace]

ive just taken delivery of a Pico 4 channel kit, its got everything Im going to need, everything automotive is built in the menu and the great thing is the ability to zoom right in

[obd.tech]

The pico is the best......can also capture files to save/send to others to analyse.....Amp clamp is deffo required.....still playing with firstlook.......useful for pressure/vacuum analysis

obd

[Liteace]

Where did you get your FL from ? thats next on my list

[jebo]

hantek DSO8060.
worth the price and great for out of shop repairs.

also have this very cheap ARM DSO201 pocket sized scope.
not so great but comes very handy for a quick peek for sensor signals.

[Liteace]

hantek DSO8060.
worth the price and great for out of shop repairs.

also have this very cheap ARM DSO201 pocket sized scope.
not so great but comes very handy for a quick peek for sensor signals.


Ive had a 2 DSO's, not happy with them, never again, maybe I got 1 of the 1st to roll of the production line or the prototype

[jebo]

Ive had a 2 DSO's, not happy with them, never again, maybe I got 1 of the 1st to roll of the production line or the prototype

got mine almost a year now and have not encountered any problems "yet" :proud:, and i hope i will not encounter one.

[smayer]

I have FLUKE 96B and recommend.

[Liteace]

I have FLUKE 96B and recommend.

Fluke fantastic scope but the accessories for automotive use are major ???????????????'s

[Liteace]

What about this one, its portable


Automotive Oscilloscope | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Automotive-Oscilloscope-/350550336479?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item519e6da3df)

[smayer]

What about this one, its portable


Automotive Oscilloscope | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Automotive-Oscilloscope-/350550336479?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item519e6da3df)

It's great for museum :devil:

[Tomo1]

..its good for fun..

[ianboyle]

4 Ch Picoscope kit finally landed, excellent tool but will require a bit more learning to get up to scratch by the looks of it.

Has anyone got the Autonerdz set, would be very interested in watching these learning dvds as they look great.

Goodluck scoping

[Liteace]

Autonerdz set, I dont think anyone is going to give you those as they cost $650 to buy

[ianboyle]

Yeah its the cost thats keeping me at bay from them for now.
If anyone was finished with there set I would be happy to purchase a used set or even rent a set for a few months, ha really grasping at straws now :)

[ADRIANALEJANDRO]

d-scope is very good for brain bee

[TR0UBLESH00TER]

Has anyone tried the oscilloscope included in UPA? Is useful ?

[srscrash]

Now I saw this post I noticed that in version 1.3r2 the oscilloscope is not active, can be activated , and how ?
Best Regards

[huwalsh]

Anyone using Bosch fsa 450 recommended or not ? Is the software helpful any trace database ect. I am mobile so want something handheld if possible with 4 channels.

[Poptest]

Anyone using Bosch fsa 450 recommended or not ? Is the software helpful any trace database ect. I am mobile so want something handheld if possible with 4 channels.

I havent tried Bosch FSA450. I have Gscan 2. It has a 4 channel scope, works on 12 & 24 volt systems, and is a great scan tool for Asian cars and trucks.

[obdsystems]

New Hantek DSO5102P USB Digital Storage Oscilloscope 2 Channels 100MHz 1GSa/s | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Hantek-DSO5102P-USB-Digital-Storage-Oscilloscope-2-Channels-100MHz-1GSa-s-/221644742625?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement _Equipment_ET&hash=item339b0e5fe1)

i have similar

[TR0UBLESH00TER]

This guy made a few videos using Hantek 1008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnnCzKNLGoI
Finally he bought a Pico :rofl:

[bonecrusher]

Hi guys. I need some advice.

I have picoscope 4 channel I want to purchase the Hantek ht 25 ignition probes to use with it. Is it possible or should I just get original pico secondary ignition pick ups?