gas card....i wonder

[shady77]

just a thought, you know the gas meter cards, where you go and stick some cash on them at the shop. and you know the card programmers for funcards etc....
anybody think its possible to use one to charge a gas card with say ?50?

[thered]

it would be a good idea lol



my m8 used to be able to fiddle his electric by sparking the meter with an electric current like a lighter but it only worked on certain meters

[shady77]

sounds feasible doesnt it?.

[berley]

Even if it could be done the only money that would be deducted from your bill would be when you charged the card legitimately, no good trying to charge a gas card unless you are also able to hack into the computers that register when you buy it !!

[thered]

if your gas is inside you can just turn the gas off and turn the meter facing the other way me grandad did it for years god rest his soul i cant cos my gas is outside and your f**ked if you get caught

it does work it makes the meter run backwards then you put it back and it runs forwrd again easy its only two bolts

be careful not to mark the nuts though use a thin rag

[shady77]

tell me more about this, you mean the in pipe and out pipe. swap them around?

[thered]

its simple m8 disconnect it just turn the meter round so it faces the wall reconnect the meter will run down not up dont forget to turn your gas off first

just get your timings right for meter reading use for a month or so running backwards then equal it out by running forwrds you may find yourself leaving fires and heating on all day to balance the clock though

i remember me grandad did

[Donnie Darko]

It'll all end in tears.

[thered]

only if you forget about it or you dont tighten the nuts up properly lol

[firemouth]

its simple m8 disconnect it just turn the meter round so it faces the wall reconnect the meter will run down not up dont forget to turn your gas off first

just get your timings right for meter reading use for a month or so running backwards then equal it out by running forwrds you may find yourself leaving fires and heating on all day to balance the clock though

i remember me grandad did

not sure it works with the new meters, though it might( ours stops working if you knock it). but if you are going to mess with your meter, simply disconnect the two pipes, in and out, and then connect the two together. bingo no meter at all. this works with older meters, but its funny seeing the panic when the gas man comes to read the meter. but ?20 often keeps them quiet if they do notice.

i believe you can doctor these cards, but you gain nothing from it. as the gas is still charged to your bill, you just wont get credit cos you did not pay.

[yamar1]

i remember the early prepayment meters with the little red dial which turns round, some people still have them but most have been changed, stick an old credit card sized card in the gap where the face of the meter meets the meter itself above the little red dial, push it down and it stops the meter dial turning and your credit lasts ages. as it is as if your not using any gas! oh i do miss them meters!

[grant]

Absolutely not you will blow up your house The meter has a reducer built in to it to reduce the gas pressure inside you house





not sure it works with the new meters, though it might( ours stops working if you knock it). but if you are going to mess with your meter, simply disconnect the two pipes, in and out, and then connect the two together. bingo no meter at all. this works with older meters, but its funny seeing the panic when the gas man comes to read the meter. but ?20 often keeps them quiet if they do notice.

i believe you can doctor these cards, but you gain nothing from it. as the gas is still charged to your bill, you just wont get credit cos you did not pay.

[thered]

my method defo works though not sure on new meters but i seen it wi me own eyes for years

[firemouth]

Absolutely not you will blow up your house The meter has a reducer built in to it to reduce the gas pressure inside you house

I'm sure you are right, but how long will it take? to my knowledge this has been working in one house for 15 years.

[thered]

Absolutely not you will blow up your house The meter has a reducer built in to it to reduce the gas pressure inside you house

gas pressure can be handled very simply and effectively every house has a lever to turn off the gas

pressure can be turned down by slightly turning the lever to the off position i found this out when installing a combi the pressure was too high it was blowing the pilot out a simple little turn on the lever stopped this

its basic stuff like running a tap the more its open the more pressure is behind it

[KillerDog]

Can i be a cheeky monkey and ask if anyone knows how to slow down the eletric meter, only for educational purposes, i disagree with fiddling or stealing from certain companies. :)

[thered]

turn all your appliances off too a bare minimum ie fridge this will slow your meter down and you wont be breaking the law lol


sorry i couldnt resist:roflmao:

[KillerDog]

You know, i swear i even laughed myself,lol. Im just so sick of paying high electric bills for a house that i only use 1 room in and only have 1 friggin touch lamp on. I have chaned from n-power to southern electric, so im hoping that will help a little, in the long run anywayz :)

[firestorm]

drill a small hole about 1mm just below the wheel on the side of the meter then put a kneedle with a fishing wieght attached on a piece of cotton then put the kneedle in the hole so the wieght pulls the kneedle down stopping the wheel from going round

[thered]

i have heard of this being done i have never tried myself though has anyone tried it?


have you tried it firestorm id be interested myself

[firestorm]

maybe put it this way it works

[thered]

so i take it as a yes then lol

you could always wedge one of those jeb's against it lol


anyway what about when the meter reader comes round is it notice able and does it stop it competely

[firestorm]

when the meter reader comes round you then put the pin in leave it for 2 months then for the last month take it out this shows you have used some elecky but you bill is cut by a third

[portbhoy]

Powerfull magnet attached to the side ;)

[KillerDog]

When i was doing up my house(i didnt live there), i hardly used any electric. The power company, came out and changed my meter, i guess they think i was fiddling it, but i wasnt.I like most am finding it really hard to keep up paying for electric, even though i only have a tv, 1 small fridge and a pc with an lcd monitor.What if i had drilled a hole and then the electric come out and take that meter for inspection.Isnt there a way to slow the bloody thing down without actually harming the meter itself ?

[thered]

When i was doing up my house(i didnt live there), i hardly used any electric. The power company, came out and changed my meter, i guess they think i was fiddling it, but i wasnt.I like most am finding it really hard to keep up paying for electric, even though i only have a tv, 1 small fridge and a pc with an lcd monitor.What if i had drilled a hole and then the electric come out and take that meter for inspection.Isnt there a way to slow the bloody thing down without actually harming the meter itself ?

portbhouy suggested a strong magnet should work in theory this will not physically harm your meter

im thinking more along the lines of bypassing it altogether for a month or two

might need some big rubber boots and gloves

[KillerDog]

Im wondering how u bypass it now. Someone might even pm me to talk to me (hint) :)

[s_a_x_o_n]

Just my 2p worth. Most or all utility, financial and continous payment companies operate statistical analysis on individual accounts. This means if your account undergoes an uncharacteristic change it will be red flagged. Obviously gas/electric use is expected to fall winter to summer so if u come across a valid workaround 1. Implement it gradually and 2. do so in the spring months.
Discipline always applies and remember you have to be on the ball ALL the time where as 'the man' only needs to catch u once.

[bluefin]

gas pressure can be handled very simply and effectively every house has a lever to turn off the gas

pressure can be turned down by slightly turning the lever to the off position i found this out when installing a combi the pressure was too high it was blowing the pilot out a simple little turn on the lever stopped this

its basic stuff like running a tap the more its open the more pressure is behind it

omg..........gas powered digi boxes :beheaded: what ever next....pmsl

[melloned]

:bawling: The Reds gas meter reversing trick didn't work for me , i tried it on the meter i had 15yrs ago , when i was made redundant , and all it did was stop the gas flow , a mate told me there was a one way valve inside it , worth a try with your own meter if you're struggling though .
As for the elecy meter , a nappy pin in the side worked a treat for 18 months , until i got another job and back on my feet.
Drill a tiny hole (in the blind side) of the meter , just below the wheel ,and use a bent baby's nappy pin to stop it for six weeks or so , to bring the bill down to somewhere near what it should be (robbing B*stards).
A few mates have recently been made redundant , but now have the new digital meters and don't know how to get around them , any idea's people ? :embarassed:

[gmb45]

:bawling: The Reds gas meter reversing trick didn't work for me , i tried it on the meter i had 15yrs ago , when i was made redundant , and all it did was stop the gas flow , a mate told me there was a one way valve inside it , worth a try with your own meter if you're struggling though .
As for the elecy meter , a nappy pin in the side worked a treat for 18 months , until i got another job and back on my feet.
Drill a tiny hole (in the blind side) of the meter , just below the wheel ,and use a bent baby's nappy pin to stop it for six weeks or so , to bring the bill down to somewhere near what it should be (robbing B*stards).
A few mates have recently been made redundant , but now have the new digital meters and don't know how to get around them , any idea's people ? :embarassed:i understand about the price issue on gas and leccy but fcuk me, fcuking about with the meters is crazy not only is it highly illegal which u could get locked up for,but EXTREMELY dangerous, is your life worth the extra money because thats what your risking and maybe others to.u could get the book thrown at u if u get caught

[xant14]

Powerfull magnet attached to the side ;)

A magnet doesnt do it. I have tried a good strong one all around. The spinning disc looks to be made out of Ally.. in my meter that is.

[melloned]

:( Point taken gmb45 , but when i did this , i was 3 weeks from reposession , i'd borrowed off everyone i could , was laughed at by the benefits agency and was desperate to keep the roof over my families head .
When you reach that stage of humiliation and desperation ' i'd begged , borrowed and in the end , stole to keep my family warm and fed and i'd do it again .
I eventually (after 6 mths) found another job , but as now , there were non about .
Can't say i was proud of it , but in this country , god looks after those who look after themselves , unless of course you're a jailbird or asylum seeker / illegal immigrant ( both the same to me) , in which case you get everything for ~~~~ all !!!! :(

[RedSpider]

have you ever considered not using as much electricity instead of trying to get something for free. i bet you're even scamming some free tv aswel lol

[melloned]

:o I could bin the tv now as it's mostly sh#t anyway .
There's a bit of a difference between staring at a telly and looking after you own family .
You've obviously never been there and therefore no idea ! :s:
A nice cosy zone !!:s:

[RedSpider]

:o I could bin the tv now as it's mostly sh#t anyway .
There's a bit of a difference between staring at a telly and looking after you own family .
You've obviously never been there and therefore no idea ! :s:
A nice cosy zone !!:s:
obviously. as you know so much about me.
as a matter of fact, no i haven't. i'ld never allow a situation to get that bad. my family mean more to me than that

[gmb45]

:( Point taken gmb45 , but when i did this , i was 3 weeks from reposession , i'd borrowed off everyone i could , was laughed at by the benefits agency and was desperate to keep the roof over my families head .
When you reach that stage of humiliation and desperation ' i'd begged , borrowed and in the end , stole to keep my family warm and fed and i'd do it again .
I eventually (after 6 mths) found another job , but as now , there were non about .
Can't say i was proud of it , but in this country , god looks after those who look after themselves , unless of course you're a jailbird or asylum seeker / illegal immigrant ( both the same to me) , in which case you get everything for ~~~~ all !!!! :(in that position m8 probably do the same thing,dont start me off about fcuking asylum seekers/illegals please.

[melloned]

:o Believe me Red Spider it's not a matter of you letting it get that bad , because unless have a money tree in your garden or the uncanny ability to walk into jobs that don't exist ( and how i tried !), you're in deep trouble Mate .

My only outgoings at that time were my mortgage lender who i informed before i missed one payment , (unwilling to help) and my utility bills , who , (with the exception of NW water) , told me they'd proceed to recover any unpaid debt which was more than 6 weeks overdue , and i'd be charged for the cost of recovery ! (talk about blood out of a stone!).

As for knowing so much about you , i only know what you've told me .
My Family mean everything to me , but sh*t happens in life and i'm glad you've never been affected by it .
The one thing nobody can totally control is their destiny .
The biggest lesson i learned from that period in my life , is that when you haven't got a pot to piss in , nobody want's to know.:s:

[shotgun-micky]

Guys, when u see an empty house, take the meter! or buy one from e-bay ?40!
Don't get caught bypassing or turning it around. When it has been run backwards it can damage the bellows inside and if stripped it can be seen. Just put the 'new' meter on for 1 month out of three, DON'T BE GREEDY!!
As for the account, it would be a good idea to ring them and change the name of the account holder, say something like...'My wife and kids have left me so im here alone now' can i put it just in my name etc.... new customer....they have no idea of usage!
If they think ur fiddling ur gas meter they will get a court warrant to enter and remove the meter, the warrant will be specific to YOUR meter serial no. When they come in and see a different meter and you explain 'the man changed it a few months ago' they will have to leave as the warrant is now void!
when they come back....well whos to say it hasn't been changed again! Buy some leak detector spray for ?3 and be safe!

My posts are for entertainment purposes only...don't break the law!

[shotgun-micky]

Look on ebay, theres a firm selling seals and pliers to crimp them on there. I think it universal meter services in devon (new lead seals need a couple days in a cup of vinegar to darken them down a bit) take the front off the main meter to expose the dial,BE CAREFULL ELECTRIC HURTS!!! most have a small screw with a + and - next to it. this is used to calibrate the meter, turn it towards the - a bit (don't be greedy, its a long term thing), to get it right, put something electric on and time how long it takes to register 1 unit, work it out so u cut about a quarter off this time, seal the meter up, shake the hoover bag over the meter to 'age' with dust.

**TIP..change all the seals so they match

My posts are for entertainment purposes only...don't break the law!

[ready183]

Even if it could be done the only money that would be deducted from your bill would be when you charged the card legitimately, no good trying to charge a gas card unless you are also able to hack into the computers that register when you buy it !!


Ah, but the suppliers don't expect the gas meter to get hacked so even if you get money put on the meter, they will try to claim it back but they will lose if you take a complaint to the ombudsman, i used to work for one of the big suppliers and this happend all the time with "missing" payments. customers were always asked to pay it back, but they took it far enough and won.

The trouble is the suppliers need to prove you've cheated, and the way the system works at the moment they can't tell. Also they have problems with missing payemtns just now, and some can't be found, this can be down to their systems so you have a fair chance with getting away with it if youcan get the card to work!

[flyingpig]

Oh no... Do not under any circumstances mess with your gas meter.!!!! You cannot reverse it, you cannot put a piece of pipe between them for all the reasons mentioned.. There is a flow restrictor, there is a one way valve. The flow restrictor is essential....

Electricity on the other hand,,, Dead easy!!

[wongers]

Electricity on the other hand,,, Dead easy!! elaberate m8

[termiantor]

:( Point taken gmb45 , but when i did this , i was 3 weeks from reposession , i'd borrowed off everyone i could , was laughed at by the benefits agency and was desperate to keep the roof over my families head .
When you reach that stage of humiliation and desperation ' i'd begged , borrowed and in the end , stole to keep my family warm and fed and i'd do it again .
I eventually (after 6 mths) found another job , but as now , there were non about .
Can't say i was proud of it , but in this country , god looks after those who look after themselves , unless of course you're a jailbird or asylum seeker / illegal immigrant ( both the same to me) , in which case you get everything for ~~~~ all !!!! :(

well said mate :congrats:

[^^TommyTee]

:( Point taken gmb45 , but when i did this , i was 3 weeks from reposession , i'd borrowed off everyone i could , was laughed at by the benefits agency and was desperate to keep the roof over my families head .
When you reach that stage of humiliation and desperation ' i'd begged , borrowed and in the end , stole to keep my family warm and fed and i'd do it again .
I eventually (after 6 mths) found another job , but as now , there were non about .
Can't say i was proud of it , but in this country , god looks after those who look after themselves , unless of course you're a jailbird or asylum seeker / illegal immigrant ( both the same to me) , in which case you get everything for ~~~~ all !!!! :(

this just goes too show unless youve been there ie struggling too make ends meet as sometimes can happen survival allways kicks in

i say good luck too you ... what you did in my book does not make you a bad guy merley a guy who cares for his family

and thats priceless

[flyingpig]

Electricity on the other hand,,, Dead easy!! elaberate m8

Even if its a card / prepayment / monthly paid, its really easy, as long as you know how, and turn everything off by pulling the main fuse.

2 things - The main fuse has a wire on it which has to be cut to access it. Anyone can do this and it is not interfering with the supply. Then the fusebaord... You take a big wire from the main cut out to the fuseboard - HEY PRESTO!!

ONLY A SPARK SHOULD DO THIS.

[tornado]

with some pay gas card meters u can wedge a old bank card at the top puch it in where the front cover meets the back and u can stop the clock running ive seen it done and working

[wongers]

Even if its a card / prepayment / monthly paid, its really easy, as long as you know how, and turn everything off by pulling the main fuse.

2 things - The main fuse has a wire on it which has to be cut to access it. Anyone can do this and it is not interfering with the supply. Then the fusebaord... You take a big wire from the main cut out to the fuseboard - HEY PRESTO!!

ONLY A SPARK SHOULD DO THIS.

~~~~ me mate i'd end up blowing the street up think i'll have to buy a few more candles:hahaha:

[bigfella]

lmao...............my m8 reversed his metre....... yr s ago......forgot the reader was comin so had to leave his heatin on full for a week while he went away on hols to 'even' the bill out

[gazzo]

sounds a bit dodgy messing with the gas supply but you can buy gas meters on ebay lol

[u.s]

hmmm....interesting thread :D
so if you have these pre-payment meters how often would someone come out to check it?

[Meat-Head]

lmao...............my m8 reversed his metre....... yr s ago......forgot the reader was comin so had to leave his heatin on full for a week while he went away on hols to 'even' the bill out

Heard of a guy that did that, then went past the last, reading, so he wound up his swimming pool to 90 Deg c or whatever it was, naybours dawg jumped in and it was converted to a boiled dawg!

Flying pig take it you mean 'something like' 'this' (not suitable for illistration only)

Fuse Tap SMALL - With 10cm cord 7,5 Amp mini Fuse (http://www.mytrendyphone.com/shop/ImagePopup.asp?Title=Fuse+Tap+SMALL+%2D+With+10cm+ cord+7%2C5+Amp+mini+Fuse&Image=/images/XX-5357) - Sikringsudtag small security-With 10 Cm wire 10Amp fuses-p.jpg&ProtectMessage=COPYRIGHT MYTRENDYPHONE

[patmul67]

Sounds a great idea hope somebody comes up with know how

[daviddawn]

I can confirm the method thered is suggesting works, but remember to even the dial out so it looks like you have used some gas.

[zerofool2005]

About writing the cards

You would have to look at how the data is written to the card.
If the memory space is written like "balance=100" type of thing

You could just emulate
These gas meters are just offline arnt they? So the company would not know that you wrote your own card. But maybe notice the lack of payments.

[Street Hawk]

And how are you going to write on these cards without having the correct card reader then, the data!

I was reading sky news today about the "Hotz" George Hotz i think his name is, he is the guy who hacked the iphone, & has now claim to have hacked the PS3, why the f*** cant he hack a poxy gas card its friggin cold in here!

[hmc]

I'm sure you are right, but how long will it take? to my knowledge this has been working in one house for 15 years.
me oldfellas m8 dont it when iwas 14,we live 6 streets away & it shook our house & decimated 2 house each side ,it was a pay meter,the 10bob pieces were stuk in trees & rendering off the nearby homes ,just word to the wise ,itl be manslaughter if the worst happens & you cant doit these days the regulators are like diodes ''ONEWAY'' VALVE. GAS CARDS CAN FREEZE TACHO'S THOUGH!.hope that latter helped:wink:

national grid has more power in court& is really owned by the system!,sony aint no good for fightin now bush is out! muhahahahahahahahahahaahaha voting soft has already done its jobs& favour returned .phony &zapple need hackin robbin gits! .POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

[bei0759]

haha good idea go ahead

[steppenwolf]

Why are you doing this m8?

[RedSpider]

who dragged this thread up again? it's gotta be a year old at least. who's trawling through the archives and dragging up dead conversations?

[steppenwolf]

who dragged this thread up again? it's gotta be a year old at least. who's trawling through the archives and dragging up dead conversations?

This morning one guy appeared and started to write some insults..... he was obviosusly banned and his posts deleted... just mine left lol

[frankgallagher]

I used to work for British Gas mate

Absolutly wouldn't recommend turning the meter round.
There are seals on the new metric meter that would have to be broken in order to turn it round.

Every so often your meter is "Inspected" rather than read and this would set alarm bells off and you'd be under investigation.
Also worth pointing out that the utility companies can apply for a warrent to enter your premises to inpect a meter, if you keep refusing entry to a reader/inspector or beleive the meter to have been tampered with in any way

You really son't want caught at that game mate

[t4gey]

Someone please tell me if I'm being totally niaeve but could u not simply put say ten pound on ur card then before putting it in ur meter copy it with ur smart card reader then put ur card in the meter then just re write the card again an again? I would try this but I don't have a card reader any thoughts?

[PremierD]

Yes mate you are ... When you top up your Card .. you buy the Credit from the gas Company ..Via paypoint ..or whatever .. You buy a tenner ,,, you use 50squid ... you owe the gas company 40 ...simple ....lol

[super jumbe]

Take my advice keep well away from gas and electric and do not even think about it. If you want it free you dig it free it all comes from the ground.

:rulez:

[Meat-Head]

You buy a tenner ,,, you use 50squid ... you owe the gas company 40 ...simple ....lol

You will also find that your address has purchased $10 of gas in a year, therfore you are 'getting' your gas from elsewhere.

Try getting a job and pay by direct debit

[Canker_Canison]

I know this thread should be laid to rest, but I recieved a letter from EDF today that's relevent & a good warning.


Important : Prepayment electricity credit fraud

We've been made aware of fraudulent activity, where prepayment electricity meter customers have been offered discounted credit by individuals posing as door-step sellers.

These individuals are selling prepayment credit for approximatley half the price of the amount of electricity offered. However, this credit is illegal and is not authorised by EDF Energy.

Energy companies can detect when they have not received payment for electricity used. Any customer that is identified as having bought illegal credit will still be liable to their energy company for the full credit value - in effect paying twice, once to the unauthorised salesperson then the full amount again to the supplier. Only the unauthorised door-step seller will benefit.

Always decline any offer to buy electricity credit on your doop-step. Although EDF Energy salespersons may visit homes from time to time, they will never offer customers prepayment credit. Ensure that you only buy your electricity credit from recognised PayPoint outlets.

If you think you've received unauthorised credit, or if you are aware of this activity in your area, you can call Crimestoppers free on 0800 555 111.

Alternatively, if you would like to speak to one of your advisers, please call us free on 0800 096 5040.

So it can be done, but you will still end up paying for what you use.

[monks key]

So what your saying is canker the only free gas I'm going to get is out me arse :toilet:

[nellyscossy]

gas pressure can be handled very simply and effectively every house has a lever to turn off the gas

pressure can be turned down by slightly turning the lever to the off position i found this out when installing a combi the pressure was too high it was blowing the pilot out a simple little turn on the lever stopped this

its basic stuff like running a tap the more its open the more pressure is behind it

sorry mate but you are wrong..very wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!

1)the meter has no way of reducing pressure, this is done by a govenor on the meter inlet.

2)the govener constantly moves inside as the pressure fluctuates coming into your house

3) reducing the pressure using your emergency valve is the most absurd thing ive ever heard .apart from being dangerous, if a second appliance was to be used then your pressure would halve again and nothing would work properly.

electronic meters (prepay or not)only have to be banged slightly and they will turn off, you will then need to call transco to reset
and then questions will be asked

[Canker_Canison]

So what your saying is canker the only free gas I'm going to get is out me arse :toilet:

I'll happily contribute to your gas supply. Been letting rip with some high octane gaggers since christmas. Currently averaging 6 high volume releases per hour.

Maybe moving from rich christmas food to tins of beans & sausages spiced up with dried chili flakes & hot caribbean sauce, may not of been a bright idea lol

:saint:

[Devilfish]

I think this thread has run its course. And before I get a court order from British Gas....Closed!