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swat cat
10th August, 2010, 06:43 AM
Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 HW: 3C0 959 433
Component: IMMO 038 0347
Revision: 00038000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151

Part No: 3C0 905 861 A
Component: ELV 021 0350
3C0905861A ELV 021 0350

1 Fault Found:
02823 - Requirements for Locking the Steering Column Lock not met
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01110000
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 26
Mileage: 42051 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2010.03.30
Time: 21:02:04




does anyone know what couses this problem in the loking module??


can be something simple like a micro switch

FXless
10th August, 2010, 09:56 PM
It's a common fault on B6. you have to go to VW to change entire steering column.

smokinjoe
10th August, 2010, 11:27 PM
you can repair this fault by firstly buying a new ignition switch then remove the steering column and desolder the microswitches from the steering lock and use the new ones from your new ignition switch to replace them.The steering lock has sheared security screws so you'll need to grind a line through them so you can remove them with a flat screwdriver,also look out for a spring loaded security catch in the steering lock of which you can just remove and file it in the bin,then rebuild,i hope this doesn't sound too complicated as its not,i'd estimate a 2 hour in and out repair which can be a good profitable job as all you need to buy is the ignition switch for about 30 euros,i think vw charge is about 1500 for this job so it leaves you with room for a nice profit.
this problem only occured in 2005/6 passats and was modified thereafter.
hope this helps.:smokin:

swat cat
11th August, 2010, 06:24 AM
so.... the switches are the problemes in the steerig lockig module... but it`s a little weird to but a new ignition switch to repair the immo.... can`t i find in the commerce?

Electroniccar
11th August, 2010, 12:42 PM
Beware of this self-repair. I hope you drive past there was no steering lock

smokinjoe
11th August, 2010, 04:35 PM
yes it is the switches that are faulty and you could buy them aftermarket just i didn't find a supplier so i found it easier to do it this way as they are the same,as for the safety of this repair i haven't experienced any problems of steering locks activating as all you are really doing is replacing faulty microswitches but still this decision has to be up to the person whos doing the repair at the end of the day.
regards.

Viliuxxx
11th August, 2010, 05:57 PM
Can where that saw where it is possible to buy new microswitches ???

ssivov
11th August, 2010, 06:04 PM
problem is nearly always the mechanical switches

Viliuxxx
11th August, 2010, 06:19 PM
And where it is possible to buy them the new switches ?

jset
14th August, 2010, 11:46 AM
yes it is the switches that are faulty and you could buy them aftermarket just i didn't find a supplier so i found it easier to do it this way as they are the same,as for the safety of this repair i haven't experienced any problems of steering locks activating as all you are really doing is replacing faulty microswitches but still this decision has to be up to the person whos doing the repair at the end of the day.
regards.

Hi
it is this switch

Viliuxxx
15th August, 2010, 04:48 PM
And here a problem where it is possible to buy their new???

zogldi
16th August, 2010, 04:21 PM
And here a problem where it is possible to buy their new???
It is not problem, desolder switch from board and open it, just clean contact.Yesterday I have this problem with passat 2008.year same problem.

Viliuxxx
16th August, 2010, 05:46 PM
Thanks! Tomorrow we will try ....

jset
16th August, 2010, 09:27 PM
It is not problem, desolder switch from board and open it, just clean contact.Yesterday I have this problem with passat 2008.year same problem.


hi
it is just clean 2 switch ?

zogldi
16th August, 2010, 10:04 PM
hi
it is just clean 2 switch ?
Yes inside switch!

jset
21st August, 2010, 05:00 PM
please help y have desold 2 switch but i don t see the problem

thanks

swat cat
22nd August, 2010, 09:56 PM
hmm... maibe could be the piece that pushes the switch....


i saw the problem to the immo it`s when the the wheel it`s not strait.....

branimirj
29th August, 2010, 01:35 PM
I have problem with this car.I replace swithes an elmos ic and fault is steering coloumn defect.I think that iz ic motorola 908 mask l52h is problem.regards

umoussa
29th August, 2010, 08:00 PM
ELMOS and motorola in the same Board, WOW

What is that CAR mate!!!!

branimirj
29th August, 2010, 11:30 PM
Car iz passat 3c 2005 2.0tdi bkp engine.regards

ajondyh
30th August, 2010, 12:06 AM
For those with VCDS group access:-

Yahoo! Groups (http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/VAG-COM/message/31208)

swat cat
30th August, 2010, 06:03 AM
Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 3C0 959 433 K HW: 3C0 959 433 K
Component and/or Version: IMMO 038 0367
Software Coding:
Work Shop Code: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
Additional Info: 3C0905861C ELV 023 0350
Additional Info: Geraet 2097151
2 Faults Found:
02861 - Electronic Steering Column Lock Check Sum Error
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 219
Mileage: 0 km
Time Indication: 0
02811 - Control Module for Electronic Steering Column Lock (J764)
014 - Defective - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101110
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 7
Reset counter: 220
Mileage: 0 km
Time Indication: 0

...new type of eror.... should be eprom ?

branimirj
30th August, 2010, 10:05 AM
I have same eror and steering,problem is motorola hc908 l52h

branimirj
30th August, 2010, 10:12 AM
i order new steering column.how i coding new unit?i have vas 5054 and vag com.

swat cat
30th August, 2010, 10:58 AM
so.... buy`in new hc908 it`s a little hard....

branimirj
30th August, 2010, 12:11 PM
Where tp buy?hc908az32 mask l52h?Price for new steering is 70 eur.regards

swat cat
30th August, 2010, 12:13 PM
what??? price for new module? 70e?

branimirj
2nd September, 2010, 02:45 PM
yes today i buy 75eur,but how to coding new unit?

umoussa
2nd September, 2010, 02:50 PM
There is a PIN code inside the MCU

branimirj
5th September, 2010, 01:53 PM
I have pin code,but this car is hard to coding.please help.regards

morwa_motors
20th September, 2010, 12:39 PM
read eeprom engine ecu for pin of the car

mlulic
20th September, 2010, 10:58 PM
How to make with VCDS (procedure)

branimirj
20th September, 2010, 11:35 PM
No way with VCDS.Try with Vac5054 with GEKO(online coding).Pozdrav iz Srbije

mlulic
20th September, 2010, 11:39 PM
I am interested in VCDS NO VAS

swat cat
21st September, 2010, 06:36 AM
yes today i buy 75eur,but how to coding new unit?
it`s the same part number as the one from your car?

cheaper
6th October, 2010, 12:42 PM
Hello,I am interested in your research,because of few cars what came back after replacing switches.Can you tell us more about your method?Thanks!

Floyd
6th October, 2010, 07:01 PM
Interested in this post. I have a new electronic steering lock that has been replaced and awaiting for a auto locksmith to adapt to central convenience via GeKo.

Now if I can get the SKC I believe its possible using VCDS for adaption procedure.

My question is, can it be retreived from a eeprom inside the old steering column lock module? It must be inside, if so, where?

dego1500
9th October, 2010, 01:43 AM
OK, here's the fix :

On the steering lock unit there is a 10 pin connector which can be acessed by removing cover above pedals. There are 2 wires coloured RED/YEL, (The large one is for power supply to steering lock, the smaller is ground signal to steering column unit to release ignition cycle and immo verification)
There is also a large BR/BLK wire which is ground.

Procedure :
1. Insert key in slot and press until you achieve successful ignition (all lights on dashboard-This means steering lock is now disengaged).

2. Connect 'small' red/yel wire to 'large' br/blk wire on steering lock connector.

3. THAT'S ALL FOLKS !!! You have now permanently disabled the steering lock, so no more problems with it failing to disengage. No need for new lock, and dreaded immo matching procedure


You may have to try step 1 a few times depending on how intermittent your problem is. Best to try with wheels pointed straight ahead.
Connector does not allow much room, so will have to lie on your back while you work or alternatively, remove other panels to get a more comfortable access.

Plz see attached wiring diagrams for clarification.

Don't forget to say THANKS.

cammy25
11th October, 2010, 08:13 AM
Nice thinking there mate!

Did you try to disconnect battery and connect it again??
does it still accept this "mod" ???

dego1500
12th October, 2010, 01:12 AM
Should still work ok, because motor is at rest when connected to ground, since it is now permanently connected to ground, it shouldn't energise even if battery is disconnected and reconnected.
Customer hasn't complained about anything since, been over a week now...

Cheers.

swat cat
12th October, 2010, 12:35 PM
you cut the little red yello wire? and from the steering module side put to the ground?


but if you have problems with IC from the box i think it doen`t woks.

cammy25
12th October, 2010, 07:15 PM
Problem is not IC but switch mate......



I think its best to try the battery thing....if its ok then it will be always ok. My concern is not in wiring or manipulation, but software routines.

simon77
12th October, 2010, 08:09 PM
i have just repaired one now that woulnt start no mater what i tried
removed sterring lock repaired switch and motor now works fine.
tried the bypass out put red yellow wire to ground ,bypass works fine. disconected battery for 5 mins reconect still works fine.
looks like battery disconection dosnt effect the bypass:congrats:.
i purchased a new sterring lock from vw uk not expensive at all. does anyone know if we can install this part just for future it would be good to know.
vas says need to replace immo lock and reprogram
regards:champions:

ray978
13th October, 2010, 06:49 PM
I have the same Probel with my passat .. these are my errors:

VCDS
Self-Diagnosis Log
Wednesday,13,October,2010,17:32:39:63170
Page 5
VIN: WVWZZZ3CZ7E184427 License Plate:
Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 R HW: 3C0 959 433 R
Component: IMMO 042 0383
Revision: 00042000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
Part No: 3C0 905 861 G
Component: ELV 027 0380
3C0905861G ELV 027 0380
3 Faults Found:
02861 - Electronic Steering Column Lock Check Sum Error
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 11
Reset counter: 28
Mileage: 89041 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2010.08.28
Time: 15:54:17
02818 - Steering Column Lock; Enabling for Electronic Ignition Lock
009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 8
Reset counter: 25
Mileage: 90018 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2010.09.15
Time: 18:45:47
02811 - Control Module for Electronic Steering Column Lock (J764)
014 - Defective - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101110
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 35
Reset counter: 28
Mileage: 87823 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2010.08.13
Time: 14:31:30
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

my model is 2007. I do the same job? thanks

dego1500
13th October, 2010, 08:13 PM
you cut the little red yello wire? and from the steering module side put to the ground?


but if you have problems with IC from the box i think it doen`t woks.


you don't 'cut' the wires, just connect them with another wire.

Cheers.

cammy25
14th October, 2010, 10:16 AM
OK great ...then its an official solution!!

branimirj
18th November, 2010, 12:59 AM
I think this is not 100% working solution

phatty123
19th November, 2010, 05:01 PM
why not? did you try?

fryderykbab
21st November, 2010, 09:15 PM
get new lock at vw cheaper and faster only ?60 for lock

simon77
21st November, 2010, 10:54 PM
the lock is cheaper but have you tried to fit and program it!
i tried the by pass and is working fine .i also have braught new lock taken motor and micro switches fitted to old lock and also working fine.
but trying to fit new lock vas will not allow you to program it.

petem
3rd December, 2010, 08:34 PM
Have the same problem just started on my 2006 Passat B6. I will attempt to access the steering locks 10 pin connector tommorow and attempt by-pass. Thanks for your great input and advice!

Speed Fixx
7th December, 2010, 08:54 PM
Thank-you very much! I had no info on my very expensive data base and this is what I needed to fix it. Just follow instructions closely and connect "small" yel/red to "Big" brn/blk. Do NOT connect both big ones together.

zogldi
9th December, 2010, 11:02 PM
Working solution, all is O.K.

nickmihai
1st January, 2011, 01:22 AM
Is there a solution to program by yourself the module instead the dealer ? None ?

Eight
7th January, 2011, 01:44 PM
Great solution, it works tested :D

mcgustoo
26th January, 2011, 10:18 AM
OK, here's the fix :

On the steering lock unit there is a 10 pin connector which can be acessed by removing cover above pedals. There are 2 wires coloured RED/YEL, (The large one is for power supply to steering lock, the smaller is ground signal to steering column unit to release ignition cycle and immo verification)
There is also a large BR/BLK wire which is ground.

Procedure :
1. Insert key in slot and press until you achieve successful ignition (all lights on dashboard-This means steering lock is now disengaged).

2. Connect 'small' red/yel wire to 'large' br/blk wire on steering lock connector.

3. THAT'S ALL FOLKS !!! You have now permanently disabled the steering lock, so no more problems with it failing to disengage. No need for new lock, and dreaded immo matching procedure


You may have to try step 1 a few times depending on how intermittent your problem is. Best to try with wheels pointed straight ahead.
Connector does not allow much room, so will have to lie on your back while you work or alternatively, remove other panels to get a more comfortable access.

Plz see attached wiring diagrams for clarification.

Don't forget to say THANKS.

After that operation on display after leave the key show the problem with steering lock...... its possible to turn off?? everythings work fine.... regards!

meteor80
14th March, 2011, 03:30 PM
Hello All.
I have similar problem with passat B6 2006 2.0TDI.
CAr sometimes doesn't start.
It looks like immo blocks ecu but after 5-7 times evrything is fine.
There is log in attachment.

Thanks in advance.

gojko
12th May, 2011, 05:03 PM
if anyone has virgin dump for steering column hc908az32 mask l52h

Maxpower50
29th May, 2011, 11:43 AM
I have a few questions regarding this Pross, I have the same car Passat 2006, steering wheel lock is on, If one is to cut the red and connect the brown / black, I from Contackt or wiring?,

Poblemet has not helped me. How do you turn the steering wheel when the steering lock on, am I ignorant of, for screws for air bag / steering wheel is on the back of the steering wheel and I'm not going until I get tripped steering wheel lock.

How can i Relese The Lock ? Suggestions welcome Haha

Message Defective Steering lock appears in the display, I can not diagnose the car either because I do not get the ignition on? Link Error appears in the display of diagnostic tests.

Thanks for all the help that pops up here,

jruibarroso
29th May, 2011, 12:35 PM
great !! 100% WORKING SOLUTION !!:beer:

Maxpower50
29th May, 2011, 12:46 PM
ok No suggestion onley funny haha

z786
1st June, 2011, 12:51 AM
i did one of these last year, got the "bypass" method off a VAG forum, in winter the "bypass" plays up and while driving the car unexpectedly cuts out, make sure the earthing is good :)

dego1500
1st June, 2011, 09:33 PM
I have a few questions regarding this Pross, I have the same car Passat 2006, steering wheel lock is on, If one is to cut the red and connect the brown / black, I from Contackt or wiring?,

Poblemet has not helped me. How do you turn the steering wheel when the steering lock on, am I ignorant of, for screws for air bag / steering wheel is on the back of the steering wheel and I'm not going until I get tripped steering wheel lock.

How can i Relese The Lock ? Suggestions welcome Haha

Message Defective Steering lock appears in the display, I can not diagnose the car either because I do not get the ignition on? Link Error appears in the display of diagnostic tests.

Thanks for all the help that pops up here,


I think your problem is different. You should still get diagnostics with cc module and steering lock module without full term.15 ignititon. Just insert key and then make communication with tool, after about 5 mins communication is then cut, to restart just reinsert key.. If you still cannot get diagnostics to cc module (which i think is also gateway on this module) , then you need to check fuses, wiring and diag socket. If still no communication, you will need to get hold of proper wiring diagram to check cc module input signals.
What is the story on this car, is it accident damage repaired, etc?
If you do acheive communication with cc module then check status of key, and steering column module.

Cheers.

dashtec
2nd June, 2011, 12:35 AM
not so long ago i tried the bypass method, had intermiting isuue, sometime fine other time no start. also when arming alarm indicator lights dont flash.

so i purchased new esl opened old esl put to oneside, open new esl removed eeproms from old unit and installed to new unit, everthing fine.

pretty simple procedure but work, all coding info is in old unit. so no coding required.

common prob are micro switch, i find it better to change eeproms

dont have pics sorry, if you need help pm me

z786
2nd June, 2011, 11:30 AM
how many eeproms did u transfer

gojko
2nd June, 2011, 10:11 PM
dashtec
Please send me the new virgin dump for steering column lock hc908az32 mask l52h

Maxpower50
6th June, 2011, 12:08 PM
dashtec
Please send me the new virgin dump for steering column lock hc908az32 mask l52h



Gojko And Dashtec

I am looking for steering column lock hc908az32 mask l52h

But have not found it either in Steering wheel lock unit or other components in VW passat

Where is it in the case.? From what I've seen now as the new revisions to more of these parts to trade

Like to now which eeprom Dashtec Solder off and change

Photos from the steering wheel lock Down on the steering column. And The last two pics its from the
Control unit for steering column electronics J527.

boukad
6th June, 2011, 12:27 PM
hi friend
chonge juste les swiutche elv

simon77
6th June, 2011, 01:14 PM
just change over micro switches from new elv to old change the motor refit to car and all will be ok
regards

Maxpower50
6th June, 2011, 09:28 PM
We've tried Micro Switches change but is cut for other solutions to this problem, eeprom swap is a good choice but you need to know what to replace. And yes have read most but need answers to eeprom swap

dashtec
7th June, 2011, 12:53 PM
change following eeprom not sure which hold the immo data but i changed these 2 everything fine

Maxpower50
7th June, 2011, 04:54 PM
I think your problem is different. You should still get diagnostics with cc module and steering lock module without full term.15 ignititon. Just insert key and then make communication with tool, after about 5 mins communication is then cut, to restart just reinsert key.. If you still cannot get diagnostics to cc module (which i think is also gateway on this module) , then you need to check fuses, wiring and diag socket. If still no communication, you will need to get hold of proper wiring diagram to check cc module input signals.
What is the story on this car, is it accident damage repaired, etc?
If you do acheive communication with cc module then check status of key, and steering column module.

Cheers.

Last question on this issue before I conclude, I have replaced the steering wheel lock, and I've replaced the control unit for steering electronics, but only get Link error in diagnosis, what more can there be when the car just died out after having been in garage for 14 days, when we diagnosed right after this happened, there was communication on the diagnosis, then popped up the control problem in display of dasjbord, after which no communication, is now changed this it would surely be comm but can yield something and say with the communication? Have checked all fuses etc, what more can I do before I quit?

Maxpower50
12th June, 2011, 09:30 AM
We now have indulgent error in the trade wind here has been much here and there with. There have been a fault with the steering wheel lock. To find and use the solution by dego1500 requires that, steering wheel lock Down on the steering column, the wheel of this must be completely down for the micro switch on one is inside and the other is released. So if you have opened this box and clean it, or switched micro switches ensure that it is in the correct position for it to work, Unless this is done, you risk the same problem as I have described here, no communication at diagnosis so everything is just nonsense. to those who want to send this description of pm.

Thanking all involved for any input that has come here on the forum.

chriskross
24th June, 2011, 09:52 AM
have heard there is already solution to adapt with vcds.
but you have to contact ross tech directly and they give these instructions only for company.

maybe someone can contact them?!:top:

locks85
7th September, 2011, 08:59 AM
Dear Sir, i tried that, now car starts but in cluster says steering lock visit workshop . What to do to erase the message ?

lagas
18th September, 2011, 11:07 PM
Change micro swith in steering colum module and now works like new one :) thanks


Sent from my iPhone4

neostrada
25th October, 2011, 02:29 PM
instruction in Polish

jruibarroso
25th October, 2011, 02:55 PM
can any one translate to english , please ?

lagas
30th October, 2011, 08:36 PM
here is nothing to translate.

take off steering mechanism, disassembly steering lock module from mechanism. change micro-switch.

(be careful with steering wheel sensor)

3abas27
16th November, 2011, 09:05 PM
I have pin code,but this car is hard to coding.please help.regards

PRBLEM WITH B6 REALLY IN VW HOME IT SI VERY EXPENSIVE

kazikk
19th December, 2011, 01:37 PM
Anyone nows where i can but NEW micro switches for steering lock

lagas
19th December, 2011, 01:44 PM
Anyone nows where i can but NEW micro switches for steering lock


you need buy Ignition switch from dealer for spare. And use this micro switches. ~40 pound.

CIRCUIT.FR
14th May, 2012, 11:18 PM
HI

For you, It is better to change microswitch or bypass?

Thanks

jruibarroso
15th May, 2012, 10:54 AM
change microswitch for shure is the best solution. For my experience (6 cars) not all work 100% with by pass , in fact only 1 costumer didn't claim about it , others have column steering errors , messages on BC and waring beeps

elmaro
30th May, 2012, 11:05 AM
Hi.
Here are the microswitches:
:: SISLAB :: AutoElektronika :: sklep / serwis :: www.sislab.pl :: - VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT B6 CC , JETTA A5 , GOLF VI - RYGIEL BLOKADA zestaw naprawczy (http://www.sislab.pl/VOLKSWAGEN_PASSAT_B6_CC__JETTA_A5__GOLF_VI_RYGIEL_ BLOKADA_zestaw_naprawczy-987.html)

lagas
30th May, 2012, 11:59 AM
I think with shipping is the same price as you can buy from dealer new ignition key switch and use this micro swich to replace all 2 micro switch in steering lock. And one switch left as spare. For next time :)

lurossi
9th June, 2012, 02:15 PM
hi all, I was reading this post and I have been very useful, and I found the problem in a column swicht module, just could not get the swicht to replace here in Argentina, if anyone has information about where to get here would be fantastic, very grateful to all, Greetings.

lagas
9th June, 2012, 02:26 PM
hi all, I was reading this post and I have been very useful, and I found the problem in a column swicht module, just could not get the swicht to replace here in Argentina, if anyone has information about where to get here would be fantastic, very grateful to all, Greetings.

go to local VW parts dealer and order the ignition key swith.
Part number is: 3C0 905 843 R

lurossi
10th June, 2012, 07:18 PM
Thank you for your answer. But what i really need are the switchs here in Agentina. Do you know if somebody knows how to look up these switchs in the Internet?.
Thanks again and greetings!

lagas
10th June, 2012, 07:32 PM
Thank you for your answer. But what i really need are the switchs here in Agentina. Do you know if somebody knows how to look up these switchs in the Internet?.
Thanks again and greetings!

when you buy this unit you can remove micro switch and use to repair you steering lock.

see post #85 link, here you can buy from Poland, but i think is little bit expensive for 2 switches Way you need order ignition lock and replace from it, to steering lock PCB.

ROBERTby2000
17th July, 2012, 08:42 AM
1) In many passat it`s working solution.... 100%
2)but I have one that does not work.I think it is cc
In many casa the column work....but some times in display show: steering column defective and the car not start. I erase the dtc....and work again.
3)In the past ... did not bypass ...just change the switch.and made ***8203;***8203;the same problems.another electrician changed the cc and the car work 100%
what it`s not working in cc ?
some solution?
thanks

proaudio
6th September, 2012, 04:05 PM
Need Help!
Have a passat with Steering Column Lock Defective error.
Have changed ESL to other.
Have tried bypass. (After ignition off, error on screen, but car starts)
From time to time, in immobilizer appears Column lock defective error and immo starts to block ECU. ESL do not responds when key is inserted.
Also, some times ESL hangs up in Unlocked mode, then I can turn on ignition. Other times it hangs up in LOCK mode Then I cant turn on ignition.
BUT if I erase that trouble code, car starts OK, ESL works all the time when I insert or remove the key.
If I leave a car for a while, error can pop up after hour, or after 2 days. Then I once again need to erase fault from immo and can start car again.
Also, when something goes wrong, ESL dont even try to work when I insert key, so this is definitely not a ESL switches problem.
Bypas works with error on screen after ignition off. No errors in immo, BUT, after 2 days once again fault code appeared in immo and car ECU was blocked till I erased fault code.
What to do???
What other module can be defective?

lagas
6th September, 2012, 10:01 PM
Need Help!
Have a passat with Steering Column Lock Defective error.
Have changed ESL to other.
Have tried bypass. (After ignition off, error on screen, but car starts)
From time to time, in immobilizer appears Column lock defective error and immo starts to block ECU. ESL do not responds when key is inserted.
Also, some times ESL hangs up in Unlocked mode, then I can turn on ignition. Other times it hangs up in LOCK mode Then I cant turn on ignition.
BUT if I erase that trouble code, car starts OK, ESL works all the time when I insert or remove the key.
If I leave a car for a while, error can pop up after hour, or after 2 days. Then I once again need to erase fault from immo and can start car again.
Also, when something goes wrong, ESL dont even try to work when I insert key, so this is definitely not a ESL switches problem.
Bypas works with error on screen after ignition off. No errors in immo, BUT, after 2 days once again fault code appeared in immo and car ECU was blocked till I erased fault code.
What to do???
What other module can be defective?

did you change ESL to new? or second hand?

proaudio
7th September, 2012, 06:10 AM
Second hand unit. Swapped MCU and fitted in to the car.

treo
7th September, 2012, 06:32 AM
Second hand unit. Swapped MCU and fitted in to the car.
Change microswich with new one.

markovojvodic
7th September, 2012, 06:48 AM
I dont know why you risk repair steering column , bcs now it cost with exchange in VW service about 100E brand new , and no one can blaim you for nothing after.

Before you should change complete steering column ant i cost about 700? , now its max 100? ?

Why bother , ***

take it there and its 100% and new for only 100????

proaudio
7th September, 2012, 08:04 AM
Switches changed. Same results. Looks like that problems appears after car wake ups from a sleep.
Our local dealer charges 120Eu for lock and 110Eu for labor + 50Eu to get to a dealer.

markovojvodic
8th September, 2012, 12:18 PM
And if you fix this you can charge what 100e ?
Does it makes any sense to lose so much time for this money and you cant be 100% sure its ok ?

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pecirepi
29th September, 2012, 03:19 PM
Still best solution for motorola type esl modules to be replaced with original one. They are too cheep now. ;):celticscarf:

lagas
29th September, 2012, 08:46 PM
Still best solution for motorola type esl modules to be replaced with original one. They are too cheep now. ;):celticscarf:


yes is the best now, but old solution was fixing old one, because price be very high for it

Iggie
29th September, 2012, 09:11 PM
The best solution is to remove micro switch and bridge it... ;-) Who else needs to have locked steering wheel? Lol

lagas
29th September, 2012, 09:21 PM
maybe some one wants it. But i every time try to do system to work properly how it is created. Immo off when you can't fix it, airbag always work properly no resistors and every thing else....

it's my way ;)

Iggie
29th September, 2012, 09:32 PM
I agree, but not all customers are ready to pay... It is sad, but true! Hard times, my friend...

Diagnosticated
30th September, 2012, 09:39 AM
The block motor method cannot be used in UK because car won't pass MOT.

Diagnosticated
30th September, 2012, 09:42 AM
Has anyone managed to buy a new esl and code it to the car with VCDS? How do you do it? UK price for esl 100 euro and fitting/coding at VW 300 euro so that's 400 euro total.

tiguan
30th September, 2012, 11:53 AM
passat with steering lock (power relay-15)

Need Help! Have a passat with steering lock, problem
when I put the key in the ignition nothing happens
there are no lights lamps in the dashboard

the car can not read VCDS....?

no power supply terminal 15 is present
-all fuses checked ok
-relay power supply terminal 15 is replaced

if I supply terminal relay 15 connects, then will burn lights in dashboard

Steering colom is not free to start, steering lock

does anyone know where this problem, and
I should go find problem. :hmmmm:

Tnx
Tiguan

Diagnosticated
30th September, 2012, 11:59 AM
No power on relay 15 usually means the microswitch in the steering lock is not working properly. Simple test. Turn on ignition and hit bottom of steering column gently, rubber mallet or something. This usually shocks the microswitch into working.
See here: https://sites.google.com/site/1810martin/b6-steering-fault

tiguan
30th September, 2012, 12:06 PM
what you say, I also tried no success

I do not know its error:
-steering colom broken
-key lock
-boordnet BCM
-wiring broken

Diagnosticated
30th September, 2012, 12:21 PM
If you power terminal 15 can you run VCDS to look at steering lock in VCDS? Somewhere you can see terminal switching code.

sim1234
9th October, 2012, 04:28 PM
here is a dump from a brand new comfort immo box with part number 3C0959433R 3C0959433AR, needs coding and adapting and dont forget to deactivate transport mode. open up the box and write this dump to the st95320 eeprom inside.

danielboom00
19th October, 2012, 12:13 AM
Somebody know how to fix this steering wheel units? I have many costumers with problems in his passat( horn don't work or buttons from the steering wheel....) i pay for a good solution but my customer are waiting.

Thanks in advance mates
150957150958

yugo45
19th October, 2012, 04:09 AM
Somebody know how to fix this steering wheel units? I have many costumers with problems in his passat( horn don't work or buttons from the steering wheel....) i pay for a good solution but my customer are waiting.

Thanks in advance mates
150957150958
That is most likely Airbag clock spring problem, very common on new VW cars.It has nothing to do with Steering lock.

danielboom00
20th October, 2012, 02:45 PM
The clock spring is not the problem for this car, my costumer change many units of this type in another cars and know the problem, but ask me about if possible to fix?

Thanks

Diagnosticated
20th October, 2012, 04:06 PM
Scan steering wheel electrics 016 with vcds. Look at 003.1 to see what the terminals are doing.
e.g.
003,1,Terminal Status
; ?xxxx = P-Contact
; x?xxx = S-Contact
; xx?xx = Terminal 75
; xxx?x = Terminal 15
; xxxx? = Terminal 50

magdyman
22nd October, 2012, 01:40 AM
Many thanks for this simple solution

tiguan
9th January, 2013, 11:24 PM
does anyone know the Procedures with VCDS how should I read, after replacing New Electronic steering lock ELV. and how to get the PIN code?

thanks for your advice

tawaf11
10th January, 2013, 02:55 PM
thanks with partage this solutoin work 100/100
but in steering lock module it deferent error
electrec and mechanc .
good job

tuning4ecu
15th January, 2013, 05:44 PM
Does anyone have virgin dump for ELV with Elmos chip inside?

chriskross
15th January, 2013, 06:23 PM
Does anyone have virgin dump for ELV with Elmos chip inside?


do you have a programmer which can read it ?????

tuning4ecu
16th January, 2013, 12:02 AM
Ok :)
Forget about that, I just looked over BeeProg and did'nt found anyting related to that chip.
I'm wondering if it even contains some memory that can be readed or writed over CAN. My gues is that it has a fixed id that needs to be adapted in confort module. Tomorow i will give a try with virgin dump for confort module posted by sim1234.
My problem is that the car i'm working on right now was damaged by water and someone has replaced some modules in the car including confort and ELV, but without the programmed key for them.
I will try to enter pin from ECU and then adapt on chanel 50 , i gues that is for vehicle data learning . Anyway, i will let you know how it goes. :)

pnj
16th January, 2013, 07:23 PM
I was told that channel 51 is in use for adapting new steering column with VCDS please let me know if any succes.

Good luck


:celticparty:

djoko.k
2nd February, 2013, 01:27 PM
If switch is good what else can be the problem???

djoko.k
4th February, 2013, 01:06 PM
No other problems...

sim1234
11th February, 2013, 01:41 AM
dont know why everybody wants to repair these column locks when they are about 50 pounds from the dealer, latest part number 3C0 959 861J
do yourselves a favour and fit brand new. login code and adaptions channel 51 if i remember, i have fitted 72 of these to date and only once have i fitted an ecu under the glovebox,and that was because the serial number wasnt recognised by the factory but that was easy cos i wrote a new file into the st95320 and that cured that as well.
my privalege is i am online with vas pc so i suppose im lucky but all this can be done with the know login pin.

any more info needed pm me
simon

ninja123
4th February, 2014, 09:15 PM
hi mate, i got one of these, never done one before, fitted new steering lock, had to read comfort module for pincode etc, but need info on how to code this thing into immo system.

have avdi and vcds etc.

Thanks for any info

lagas
4th February, 2014, 10:20 PM
Avdi have nice tour in special function

yugo45
4th February, 2014, 10:25 PM
hi mate, i got one of these, never done one before, fitted new steering lock, had to read comfort module for pincode etc, but need info on how to code this thing into immo system.

have avdi and vcds etc.

Thanks for any info


http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f178/passat-3c-elv-387435/#post2172503

gttuning
4th February, 2014, 11:12 PM
hi mate, i got one of these, never done one before, fitted new steering lock, had to read comfort module for pincode etc, but need info on how to code this thing into immo system.

have avdi and vcds etc.

Thanks for any info
Hi Ninja done one few days ago i had siemens ecu read pin from it.and then i yous vcds.all procedure happens in immobilizer 25!

immobilizer 25
adaptation 10
leave channel at 00
read-save-done,go back

security acc.-16
enter pin 5 dig.
do it

adaptation-10
channel 51
enter pin in new value box
test
wait for first two boxes show numbers, after two first boxes show numbers press save if you have no save press done go back.at this stage you should see ignition on.
ignition of for 30sec.job done
the car i was workin on some one try to code all ready,so my ignition was not on because new lock will only put ignition on once!but i just put the key in and start coding procedure.just had to use old lock to switch ign.on get pin out from ecu.

super jumbe
23rd April, 2014, 11:00 PM
Please I need passat steering lock wiring PDF, thanks in advance.

super jumbe
25th April, 2014, 12:55 PM
No one, then can some one just draw wiring by hand.
I also want to know is it easy to get to steering lock board switches?
Check this picture can some one mark the wiring connection.

haroutioun
25th April, 2014, 02:29 PM
Please I need passat steering lock wiring PDF, thanks in advance.
Hello.
Dear,let me know if this can help you.....https://sites.google.com/site/1810martin/b6-steering-fault

super jumbe
28th April, 2014, 10:14 PM
Still confused need more info please, when connecting small red/yel wire to large br/blk on steering lock connector do I have to cut the small red/yel wire then connect to big br/blk?
Appreciate your help.

spawns3
29th April, 2014, 12:34 AM
Still confused need more info please, when connecting small red/yel wire to large br/blk on steering lock connector do I have to cut the small red/yel wire then connect to big br/blk?
Appreciate your help.

Mate you only need to made a bridge , but you have to make the bridge after the steering lock desengage .

cqae
25th June, 2014, 01:40 PM
did you use this procedure to learn a new steering lock module to the vehicle?


Hi Ninja done one few days ago i had siemens ecu read pin from it.and then i yous vcds.all procedure happens in immobilizer 25!

immobilizer 25
adaptation 10
leave channel at 00
read-save-done,go back

security acc.-16
enter pin 5 dig.
do it

adaptation-10
channel 51
enter pin in new value box
test
wait for first two boxes show numbers, after two first boxes show numbers press save if you have no save press done go back.at this stage you should see ignition on.
ignition of for 30sec.job done
the car i was workin on some one try to code all ready,so my ignition was not on because new lock will only put ignition on once!but i just put the key in and start coding procedure.just had to use old lock to switch ign.on get pin out from ecu.

blade66
25th June, 2014, 02:04 PM
How did you read the Pin from a Siemens ecu ?
Which tool did you use ?

cqae
26th June, 2014, 01:05 AM
i read the pin from both the ecu & ccm with avdi

macgyver216
24th May, 2017, 11:52 PM
Hello !

Passat TDI 140, BKP engine. 2006

Today i tried to change the defective steering column lock with a new one purchased from VW

I have the pin code, and i verified that i have security access to IMMO controller, before removing the old one.

I removed battery and i changed the lock.

After that, i plugged battery, switched on ignition and tried to get security access to immo, but the pin code was not recognised. after 3 attemt, the immo controller is locked for 250 minutes. Impossible to match the new lock.

Has anyone ever had this problem? Do you have a solution to offer?


Thank you !

yugo45
25th May, 2017, 06:35 AM
Now you have 250 min lock time , which means you have to have ignition On for 4 hr and 10 min.
You can switch ignition on if you jump pin 1 and pin 16 at OBD plug.

Did you follow this procedure:
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/152994-Passat-B6-Steering-column-problems/page9?p=2220791#post2220791

macgyver216
25th May, 2017, 07:15 AM
Thx ! That's what i was going to do.

My problem is that the pin code was refused by immo controller after changing the lock ! The pin was verified before.

And i can get ignition on, but of course withe the coil blinking.

amigokola
25th May, 2017, 01:23 PM
When Lock time is gone disconnect all short fuse lines plug new ELV turn hazard lights switch high beams and press break pedal then login and do adaptation procedure.

macgyver216
25th May, 2017, 02:27 PM
When Lock time is gone disconnect all short fuse lines plug new ELV turn hazard lights switch high beams and press break pedal then login and do adaptation procedure.

Thx.
I already have ignition, even with old and new ELV. So should i wake up the immo with brake pedal and high beam procedure ?

Second' what do you mean by disconnect all short fuse lines ?

Last question, can i do hot swap with ELV ? ie changing them when ignition on and security accsess ?

yugo45
25th May, 2017, 03:41 PM
Thx.
I already have ignition, even with old and new ELV. So should i wake up the immo with brake pedal and high beam procedure ?

Second' what do you mean by disconnect all short fuse lines ?

Last question, can i do hot swap with ELV ? ie changing them when ignition on and security accsess ?

This is suggestion from other thread , so many members had susses with this:
When lock time is out, Put old lock back,give ignition,enter pin,go to Ch51, do not turn ignition off, or go out form VCDS screen, unplug old,plug new,press Do It! and done...

macgyver216
25th May, 2017, 04:05 PM
This is suggestion from other thread , so many members had susses with this:
When lock time is out, Put old lock back,give ignition,enter pin,go to Ch51, do not turn ignition off, or go out form VCDS screen, unplug old,plug new,press Do It! and done...

Thx yugo45 ! this tip seems to be great.

I dont have to enter the pin code in channel 51 as a new value instead of 32000 ?? I don't have to read before group 00 of measuring block ?

Please explain more the procedure !!.


I'll try it after 2h43min.

macgyver216
26th May, 2017, 12:35 AM
Bad news.
Wait for 250 minutes, immo lock time chanded to 0. I plugged the old lock, but no more ignition. I tried to connect to immo without security access or pin attempt, but time lock was again 250.

In summary, no ignition with old lock, ignition ok with the new lock, but pin code is not recognised.

I'm fed up with that car

yugo45
26th May, 2017, 02:58 AM
Something is wrong, if you enter one time wrong Pin it should be only 10 min.

macgyver216
26th May, 2017, 03:11 AM
Something is wrong, if you enter one time wrong Pin it should be only 10 min.

I didn't enter any pincode, time lock changed to 250 just by plugging back old lock.

Someone told me that it was due to a software bug inside comfort module, mine was considered as first generation.

Tomorrow the car will be moved to an official VW workshop to match this fu...y lock. I hope they will not discover another disaster.

Thx for all !

macgyver216
26th May, 2017, 03:56 PM
The car is still in VW workshop since the morning. they are trying to match the lock.

I hope that ccm doesnt need te be changed.

Thx again VW for this wonderful car full of problems

macgyver216
26th May, 2017, 07:54 PM
Ok, end of the history :
VW was unable to match the new lock, they sad that my new lock was already plugged on another car....... because they get timelock 250 after plugging it.

May be i'ts possible, because the box was not sealed.

A good friend of mine exchaged the eeprom of old lock into new one, and now everything is ok !

Thx for all for your help ! Great forum.

macgyver216
30th May, 2017, 09:41 AM
Not a so happy end :
Same problem occurs again : twice or three times a day, when the car is running, three long beeps and display steering lock defective. The car run, but impossible to start again due to immo activation.

VCDS : immo and central convivience modules : 003 defective. Evrything is normal after erasing fault.

Now the car is in a VW dealer, they will try to flash confort module with ODIS.

Any suggestion ?

macgyver216
30th May, 2017, 01:06 PM
VW answer : CCM and Lock should be changed ......
about 630 euro ! for a 10 years car.

makura
3rd July, 2017, 09:46 PM
Hi guys

Does the solution for passat work on toureg steering lock problems?
I have one and the igntion is not turning on because the steering lock is defective.

macgyver216
3rd July, 2017, 11:03 PM
Really no idea...

zafrkani
1st March, 2018, 12:37 AM
hi to all i have problems with my car passat b6 2005 see on video it is same problem what can i do can anyone help me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KAN92_9VZc

magdyman
9th March, 2018, 04:10 AM
hi to all i have problems with my car passat b6 2005 see on video it is same problem what can i do can anyone help me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KAN92_9VZcHello
The steering lock is defective see the fuse if not try to change it or make immo off for engine ecu read eprom and send will make immo off also you will need to remove steering lock is cover and press green button permanent to get ignition on then car will start.

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casper2
1st April, 2018, 12:54 PM
3C0905861C MC68HC08AZ32A mask 4L52H I need a security code

vladautotester
22nd November, 2018, 09:58 PM
elv dump 4l52h

pouettedu76
16th January, 2019, 06:50 PM
Hello could have the pinout to read the mcu and transfer it in the new elv? thank you
MC68HC08AZ32A mask 4L52H I will read with vvdi prog or orange 5 if any of you has the pinout with photos his would be nice thank you

dannyx5321
3rd February, 2019, 08:21 PM
We now have indulgent error in the trade wind here has been much here and there with. There have been a fault with the steering wheel lock. To find and use the solution by dego1500 requires that, steering wheel lock Down on the steering column, the wheel of this must be completely down for the micro switch on one is inside and the other is released. So if you have opened this box and clean it, or switched micro switches ensure that it is in the correct position for it to work, Unless this is done, you risk the same problem as I have described here, no communication at diagnosis so everything is just nonsense. to those who want to send this description of pm.

Thanking all involved for any input that has come here on the forum.

Amazing piece of information! Tank a million Maxpower for that detail: the motor inside must have the pin down! Makes all the difference, as the new motor will be with the pin up thus preventing all communications and no ignition on because of that. I have been banging my head against the wall trying to figure this up after replacing the two chips realizing that ignition cannot be turned on anymore. So in retrospect, just swap the old chips in the new steering lock and very important push that pin attached to the motor all the way down! Once the pin is down, make sure the other microswitch is engaged properly with the lower black tab in the "on" position and you should be good to go.

perovuk
4th February, 2019, 10:28 AM
can somebody tell me whether it's possible to transfer elmos chip from ori lock to used lock and start car?
tnx!

i_shot_the_sheriff
4th February, 2019, 04:57 PM
Hello mates ,

I have this weird case of a steering lock fault . Car came to me from a VW dealer :tears_of_joy: ! They tried to program a new ELV to this CC and they couldn't . So they brought the car to me ,,

On the car there is a new ELV plugged in. The lights in the dash won't open at all. No matter what ELV i plug in (new or old or used) the lights won't come on .

If i open the ignition by bridging the pins 1 + 16 of the OBDII connector the lights come on and i can diagnose car. Only fault inside CCM is about Electronic Steering LOck Fault .......


Has anyone seen this before?? All fuses are good , i also tried plugging in other 3 CCMs but same result .... no lights in dash

Can someone help >?

Thanks in advance

kiszka
4th February, 2019, 05:33 PM
Hello mates ,

I have this weird case of a steering lock fault . Car came to me from a VW dealer :tears_of_joy: ! They tried to program a new ELV to this CC and they couldn't . So they brought the car to me ,,

On the car there is a new ELV plugged in. The lights in the dash won't open at all. No matter what ELV i plug in (new or old or used) the lights won't come on .

If i open the ignition by bridging the pins 1 + 16 of the OBDII connector the lights come on and i can diagnose car. Only fault inside CCM is about Electronic Steering LOck Fault .......


Has anyone seen this before?? All fuses are good , i also tried plugging in other 3 CCMs but same result .... no lights in dash

Can someone help >?

Thanks in advance
you have to program the elv
Not programmed elv, no ignition
read this whole topic
I think you will know everything you need

i_shot_the_sheriff
4th February, 2019, 05:36 PM
you have to program the elv
read this whole topic
I think you will know everything you needI have read it all :) and truthfully every Passat that comes to my store I make immo off ,,, i plug a new elv and I send them away happy ;) .....

The programming procedure is usually problematic on the ccm part

But this one doesn't wanna listen :(

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kiszka
4th February, 2019, 05:39 PM
I have read it all :) and truthfully every Passat that comes to my store I make immo off ,,, i plug a new elv and I send them away happy ;) .....

The programming procedure is usually problematic on the ccm part

But this one doesn't wanna listen :(

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reset elv, or the next new one you need

H2Deetoo
6th February, 2019, 07:48 AM
We've had a similar problem (no ignition and CCM won't adapt new ELV) and in the end it was a faulty SWCM !
After swapping SWCM to a different one all was fine.

i_shot_the_sheriff
6th February, 2019, 08:01 AM
Finally fixed the car
3 faults i found .... i think this Vw dealer was crazy or something!
1st) THe ignition switch was faulty !!! (where you put the key inside )
2nd) Needed to plug in old SCL make security access and when on chan 51 plug the new one and program and i hear the zztttt!

After these still no lights on the dash but i see only the steering light ! They had a red cable on the inner relaybox unplugged! I plugged it in and it worked like a charm!!

dannyx5321
8th February, 2019, 09:55 PM
here is a dump from a brand new comfort immo box with part number 3C0959433R 3C0959433AR, needs coding and adapting and dont forget to deactivate transport mode. open up the box and write this dump to the st95320 eeprom inside.

Can anyone calculate a PIN for this dump?

Cheers!

dannyx5321
8th February, 2019, 09:59 PM
This dump:

dannyx5321
8th February, 2019, 10:54 PM
Anyone? Anyone at all? Pretty please with a cherry on top :wavey:

fryderykbab
8th February, 2019, 10:59 PM
vw passat pin-65535

dannyx5321
8th February, 2019, 11:13 PM
Cheers mate! :ciao:

rafal
8th February, 2019, 11:17 PM
vw passat pin-65535

Are you sure?

dannyx5321
8th February, 2019, 11:17 PM
Controller refused the key, error 35: invalid key

Are you 100% positive it's the right key? I know it could be on my end but just want to double check.

Thanks


vw passat pin-65535

dannyx5321
8th February, 2019, 11:18 PM
Are you sure?

Looks like you have also doubts Rafal, did you also try the pin and failed?

dannyx5321
8th February, 2019, 11:29 PM
can someone else double check this pin as I'm getting a key invalid error in vcds,

thanks

fryderykbab
8th February, 2019, 11:43 PM
can someone else double check this pin as I'm getting a key invalid error in vcds,

thanks
HI THIS IS PIN FOR VIRGIN FILE IF THIS VIRGIN FILE YOU JUST NEED VCDS AND PIN OFF VEHICLE YOU WORKING ON

dannyx5321
8th February, 2019, 11:50 PM
Ok but I need to adapt the ESCL/ELV lock and neither pins work. So I have a new steering lock, supposedly a new/virgin CCM but cannot marry the lock with the CCM as I need security access to do it. I'm stumped.

fryderykbab
8th February, 2019, 11:54 PM
WHEN IMMO SYSTEM IS LOCKED ODIS ONLINE WILL DO THIS

dannyx5321
8th February, 2019, 11:59 PM
Ok so if you or anyone else can solve this either by ODIS online or otherwise, please help and I will compen$ate. I'm so done with this crappy pos Passat.

So a shout out there to all in the know, will pay $ if someone can fix this garbage of a car. I have ODIS but certificate needs updated for GEKO online.

dannyx5321
9th February, 2019, 12:26 AM
No takers for my money?... Offers still stands :indecisiveness:

dimon9555
9th February, 2019, 09:23 PM
Pin is wrong)))
If you have a native dump engine ECU and a native key, you can restore it. But if a bad person did immo off in engine ECU, then there is an incorrect date in it, it can no longer be restored

dannyx5321
10th February, 2019, 09:25 PM
So finally the car is sorted out. I ended up putting back the original dump in the CCM and adapted the steering lock via ODIS online. Pretty painless I must say, should have done that in the first place instead of fooling around with VCDS and procedures that are hit and miss. Thanks to all who helped or wanted to.

H2Deetoo
11th February, 2019, 07:42 AM
It is very very simple.
If you have a working CCM dump, and original ELV still communicates then connect them, then swap in virgin ELV and it can be adapted with VCDS easily.
But if your ELV is really dead (no comms), or missing, then you have a problem. There is no way to get the original CCM to work because it needs original ELV to startup up.
Only solution then is to use a virgin CCM (existing CCM can be flashed to virgin), then adapt this to car using ODIS online (using data from VW server), then learn virgin ELV.

Medions
11th February, 2019, 01:07 PM
existing CCM can be flashed to virgin
Good idea, now I work for it.

dannyx5321
13th February, 2019, 12:26 AM
It is very very simple.
If you have a working CCM dump, and original ELV still communicates then connect them, then swap in virgin ELV and it can be adapted with VCDS easily.
But if your ELV is really dead (no comms), or missing, then you have a problem. There is no way to get the original CCM to work because it needs original ELV to startup up.
Only solution then is to use a virgin CCM (existing CCM can be flashed to virgin), then adapt this to car using ODIS online (using data from VW server), then learn virgin ELV.

While it may be simple with VCDS if you have new ELV there are a few points that need observing otherwise you are screwed:

1. You only have ONE ignition on. If you were unsuccessful in adapting your steering lock don't turn ign. off (don't ask me how I found that out)

2. When adapting with VCDS make sure you leave or old ELV connected, and login for security access (tab 16) before you swap your new lock. This is debatable, some say you don't need to log in just adapt and input the PIN but Ross-Tech forum says you need to log in first.

3. Of course in order to log in you need the PIN code and for that you'll have to extract either from the ECU or CCM via AVDI or similar tool or like I did unsolder the eeprom from CCM and post dump here.

IF VCDS fails like it did miserably in my case even with a virgin dump in CCM and new lock, then ODIS online will fix your problem.

One more thing: if you get locked for 255 because somehow you messed up, ODIS online isn't affected so you don't have to wait it out. I didn't know that and four hours go by sloooow when you need things done.

If others need to add to this short guide please chime in.

If this helped you press the thank you button, it's not that difficult.

incar
23rd February, 2019, 05:34 PM
i have ccm with corrapted eeprom. is original pin and cs data available

rafal
23rd February, 2019, 05:54 PM
i have ccm with corrapted eeprom. is original pin and cs data available




VIN:
WVWZZZ3CZAE174910


Immo ID:
VWZCZ000000000


CS:
2507CC264A0F98


MAC:
7A21DC63


PIN:
25646


Power Class:
FE


ELV:
D6C1


CCM Status:
6


Key Count:
2


Key1:
1E6575B3


Key2:
F57FC26F


Key3:
00000000


Key4:
00000000


Key5:
00000000


Key6:
00000000


Key7:
00000000


Key8:
00000000




Hardware version:
HLOW4227051000043000P0030971


VAG Part Number:
3C0959433AR


Software version:
0612

incar
23rd February, 2019, 07:53 PM
wow that is loads of data but it seems that immo id is corapted, not shore about pin, with vcds it is not accepted in ECU
Is there a way how to manualy transfer data?

rafal
23rd February, 2019, 08:00 PM
have a look lock time.........................

incar
23rd February, 2019, 08:27 PM
Originaly car had strange issues with one key then second and now CCM is dead no connection on diagnostics and no convinience functions.
If i put virgin dump or dump from replacement ccm it is accessible on diagnostics. If i put original dump in replacement CCM it becomes dead(not accessible with diagnostics and no convinience functions)
lock time is 0
I got virgin dump in replacement CCM but i cant code it with vcds to car, pin 05615 is accepted but adaptation chanels not available.
Similar is with fvdi, it cant read pin and cs from edc17 over obd might have to remove and open ECU to get pin cs...

rafal
23rd February, 2019, 08:38 PM
ok.....then read ecu for pin and cs

incar
23rd February, 2019, 08:48 PM
Before i break lid of ECU (really hate to do this) is there a way to manualy edit pin and cs to try it out
I found a way with FVDI to change VIN, ID and keys but pin and cs and ESL needs to be changed.

incar
24th February, 2019, 12:55 PM
I got ECU flash now i houpe pin cs is available there.

rafal
24th February, 2019, 12:58 PM
need also eeprom..............

incar
24th February, 2019, 01:13 PM
need also eeprom..............
That means cutting bracket and security bults then.....:(

incar
25th February, 2019, 06:20 PM
i got full read in boot mode with kess but it is in single file

incar
25th February, 2019, 10:50 PM
Now i got eeprom and flash separate

passat82
21st August, 2022, 11:35 AM
I am getting pretty desperate here! :/ :)) Below is the short version of events so far...


I have an issue with my VW Passat b6 2.0 FSI 2006. I came out from the supermarket and the car wouldn't start. The red steering wheel light was on and beeping 3 times, with no ignition or lights in the display plus an active electronic handbrake.


I got the car moved to mechanic number 1. They couldn't do anything, so I researched the problem online and took a qualified guess and told them to remove the Electronic Steering Lock (ESL).


After receiving the ESL I took it apart and found faults in both microswitches on the board. I ordered a replacement set online and changed both switches and the two relays. The lock was reassembled and put back in the car, but the car still wouldn't start and behaved exactly the same. https://fonts.gstatic.com/s/e/notoemoji/14.0/1f92c/72.pnghttps://fonts.gstatic.com/s/e/notoemoji/14.0/1f972/72.png


I managed to move the car to mechanic number 2 in the hopes that clearing the faults would solve the issue and mechanic 1 wouldn't try to bypass the car to get lights in the dashboard.


Mechanic 2 managed to get lights in the dashboard and clear the faults. The car started, ESL working like normal...


YEAHHHH...


But two days later, while driving, the red steering light came back on and the display showed Steering Lock Defect. I drove the car home and parked it with no handbrake and in a straight wheel position, so transporting it would be easier this time around!


After turning off the car, it now behaves a bit differently than the first time. I get ignition, but it turns off after a few seconds. I haven't touched the steering wheel since I turned it off to avoid locking it and completely disabling it again.


What can cause this behaviour? Can it be the motor in the ESL?


I am considering getting a new ESL or used, and then switching the board from the old lock to the new!?


Thank you in advancehttps://fonts.gstatic.com/s/e/notoemoji/14.0/1f64f/72.png

rafal
21st August, 2022, 11:40 AM
buy brand new esl - adapt by pin - job done
now new part is cost about 100 euro - so not expensive
to get pin you will need read ecu eeprom or ccm eeprom

passat82
21st August, 2022, 11:52 AM
Hi :)
Wouldn't I have to take it for an expensive trip to VW to do that!?

rafal
21st August, 2022, 11:58 AM
Hi :)
Wouldn't I have to take it for an expensive trip to VW to do that!?

if you don't have tools and experience how to do - answer - yes

chrisJ
22nd April, 2025, 07:56 AM
OK, here's the fix :

On the steering lock unit there is a 10 pin connector which can be acessed by removing cover above pedals. There are 2 wires coloured RED/YEL, (The large one is for power supply to steering lock, the smaller is ground signal to steering column unit to release ignition cycle and immo verification)
There is also a large BR/BLK wire which is ground.

Procedure :
1. Insert key in slot and press until you achieve successful ignition (all lights on dashboard-This means steering lock is now disengaged).

2. Connect 'small' red/yel wire to 'large' br/blk wire on steering lock connector.

3. THAT'S ALL FOLKS !!! You have now permanently disabled the steering lock, so no more problems with it failing to disengage. No need for new lock, and dreaded immo matching procedure


You may have to try step 1 a few times depending on how intermittent your problem is. Best to try with wheels pointed straight ahead.
Connector does not allow much room, so will have to lie on your back while you work or alternatively, remove other panels to get a more comfortable access.

Plz see attached wiring diagrams for clarification.

Don't forget to say THANKS.


hi could you send me a photo of the wire i should connect as on mine i don't have small red/yellow on mine
is mostly green/red and green/yellow