Key learning Golf mk6

[digitalbac]

Hi all,
I have a friend who lost his keys and I would like to know how to learn a new one key. I know there are several solutions generally used such as

- Vag Commander original AVDI
- ABRITES Commander VAG
- Immo off (apparently not possible http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f178/need-kill-immo-golf-6-a-163420/ perhaps today it is possible ???)
- ?

But I think that this car is not supported because I don't see it in the list of each dealers !

That's why if anyone has a solution to perform a learning key on this car I'am VERY interested


Thks in advance for your help and reply !
:cheer:



ECU Golf mk6 2010 year
Continental 5WP42899AA
DIESEL SIMOS PCR2.1

[lockbreaker]

Needs VIN encoded chip to program in at the moment. Best to just get the dealer to handle it for now, as you'd still have to order the key from them anyhow.

[autolockmasters]

I had call out for mk6 coupe of weeks ago. I am not able to do these at the moment so send customer to local VW dealer.

A week later customer rang me back and told me that it took two days and cost was ?130 for the key and ?50 for programming inc VAT. Lucky for the customer the dealer was near by so he just towed the car in.

Turns out the dealers are lowering their prices for key+programming because they are loosing out on business to Auto Locksmiths.

[autocrypto]

Hi all,
I have a friend who lost his keys and I would like to know how to learn a new one key. I know there are several solutions generally used such as

- Vag Commander original AVDI
- ABRITES Commander VAG
- Immo off (apparently not possible http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f178/need-kill-immo-golf-6-a-163420/ perhaps today it is possible ???)
- ?

But I think that this car is not supported because I don't see it in the list of each dealers !

That's why if anyone has a solution to perform a learning key on this car I'am VERY interested


Thks in advance for your help and reply !
:cheer:



ECU Golf mk6 2010 year
Continental 5WP42899AA
DIESEL SIMOS PCR2.1

Hi,

The Golf 2010 use a 48-CAN precoded transponder. The best and fast way to program new keys for the car is (you need a simple key to turn the ignition to ON - not to start the car): http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f177/code-reader-2-key-programmer-vs-ad900pro-vs-zedbull-tell-me-what-i-need-147520/index2.html#post841129

About the mechanical cut you can read the Mechanical cut code in the lock of the door and then cut the key in a locksmit.

[digitalbac]

Thks for your reply, if I understand well I have to found someone who has
- T-Code
- AD900PRO or MEGACOPY
- A vigirn transponder 48 for VAG

Then follow this process

1) You go to the car with T-Code connect to OBD and get the pin code and the code for precoding 48 CAN.

2) You go to AD900PRO or MEGACOPY and precode a transponder 48 CAN VOLKSWAGEN with the code get by T-Code.

3) You put the transponder to the key and go to the car to program with T-Code and the pin code read in point 1).

4) Start car with the new key !

Correct ?

[autocrypto]

Thks for your reply, if I understand well I have to found someone who has
- T-Code
- AD900PRO or MEGACOPY
- A vigirn transponder 48 for VAG

Then follow this process

1) You go to the car with T-Code connect to OBD and get the pin code and the code for precoding 48 CAN.

2) You go to AD900PRO or MEGACOPY and precode a transponder 48 CAN VOLKSWAGEN with the code get by T-Code.

3) You put the transponder to the key and go to the car to program with T-Code and the pin code read in point 1).

4) Start car with the new key !

Correct ?

Hi,

Yes, is correct. Note: You need a transponder 48 CAN Volkswagen and not a 48 VAG.

[digitalbac]

Do I must buy a new key with a virgin transponder such as

Hawley Lock Supply: VW high security flip blade with CAN 48 transponder (http://hawleylocksupply.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HLS&Product_Code=-VW-Flip-Can-48&Category_Code=ARS)

or I can use one key already programed on other car (second-hand key) ?

[autofan1965]

I think it is immposible now, because how You will get PIN from this car and Component Security 7bytes?

[exe123]

I can get it from dashboard :) should be also possible via ECU (EDC17/MED17) if you read all memory

[autocrypto]

Do I must buy a new key with a virgin transponder such as

Hawley Lock Supply: VW high security flip blade with CAN 48 transponder (http://hawleylocksupply.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HLS&Product_Code=-VW-Flip-Can-48&Category_Code=ARS)

or I can use one key already programed on other car (second-hand key) ?

Hi,

You need to use a virgin "48 CAN Volkswagen" transponder. You canot use a used transponder.

For the mechanical part you can use a normal key (Silca HU66T) or a flip key for remote. All the two have place to put the transponder.

If you order the key to a Vw dealer you need to make the order by VIN, so the key (and transponder) received is allready precoded for your car. You dont need to precode, only need to get the pin code and program the key.

Is difficult to belive in this solution, but is the only available at the moment and working. I have made several Audi's, Vw's and Seat's with this method.

[Rito]

Abritus can do this...
Someone have this metod??
I have T-code origna tool.
But for this I will need bay Megacopy,I am think about Abritus because in future I need for BWM to..
What is best???

Thanks

[lockbreaker]

Nothing in the world that I am remotely aware of save for the AD900 is even close or in the running for being able to encode the chips on these cars yet.
Pulling the pins and programming the key is a totally different animal than the issue with the chip. No two ways about it. suck it up and order your key from the dealer.

[rapidlocksmiths]

original abritus has the majority of VAG dealer key learning , pin extraction and programming covered , far more coverage than AD900 has at present, but is 4 x more expensive than the AD900 package , so almost full coverage comes at a 5k cost with abritus.

as well as AD900 you can buy vag com and key crypt pro from lockdecoders for same cost as AD900 packages , with same coverage i believe.

Dont buy the clone for this as the clone only has dealer key coverage on Q7 and is untested.

Zedbull release their new cable for vag dealer key preperation and programming late this month or next also.

Original abritus is by far the best and most advanced for this , but cheaper options though do exist with slightly less coverage.

[lockbreaker]

So you're saying that the Abritus can already do this? And the car in question would be supported?

Really though, I'm still under the impression that a lot of folks who participate in the discussion here are not locksmiths, but are just interested in messing with ECU's and stuff.
I am a locksmith, and spend a fortune every year on all of this stuff, but it's in my best interest to do so.
I will venture to conjecture that the guy that needs the key would be so much better off just buying the vin encoded key from the dealer.
Now you or I on the other hand, can spend our money confidently on these equipments, knowing that it will benefit us in our line of work.

[kato]

Hello all. I still dont understand if abritus can do precoded transponder by vin. Can anyone tell me that. and if it does via obd2? at least the reading of the 7 bytes

thanks

[autocrypto]

So you're saying that the Abritus can already do this? And the car in question would be supported?

Really though, I'm still under the impression that a lot of folks who participate in the discussion here are not locksmiths, but are just interested in messing with ECU's and stuff.
I am a locksmith, and spend a fortune every year on all of this stuff, but it's in my best interest to do so.
I will venture to conjecture that the guy that needs the key would be so much better off just buying the vin encoded key from the dealer.
Now you or I on the other hand, can spend our money confidently on these equipments, knowing that it will benefit us in our line of work.

Hi,

I understand your problem. I am a locksmith with a shop specialized in automobile keys :ridinghorse:.

About precoded VAG CAN:

You need 2 equipment:

a) one for reading the 7 digits precoding, the pin code and after for programing the key/transponder;

b) and another to produce (or precode) the transponder.

The working equipment are: a) T-Code Pro and b) Megacopy/AD900 PRO with the requested software. (I use this equipment and work for all VAG brands) Go to Advanced Diagnostics ou Elmetools and confirm all the procedure and models application.

You need 4 transponders: 48 AUDI CAN, 48 SEAT CAN, 48 SKODA CAN and 48 VOLKSWAGEN CAN, to precode in Megacopy after read the 7 digits precoding.

Or you can buy the key to a dealer and you only need the T-Code to read the pin code and program the key. The key need to be ordered by VIN.

NOTE: Dont have any equipment to precode the 48 CAN by VIN. You need to read the 7 digits precoding for OBD.

[Bishop c4]

Hello all. I still dont understand if abritus can do precoded transponder by vin. Can anyone tell me that. and if it does via obd2? at least the reading of the 7 bytes

thanks

I understand your confusion becausse not everybody knows much about abrites but YES this tool make the job easy but you need certain modules and other special device of the same companie to do the job like knife in butter.

Regards

[lockbreaker]

Hi,

I understand your problem. I am a locksmith with a shop specialized in automobile keys :ridinghorse:.

About precoded VAG CAN:

You need 2 equipment:

a) one for reading the 7 digits precoding, the pin code and after for programing the key/transponder;

b) and another to produce (or precode) the transponder.

The working equipment are: a) T-Code Pro and b) Megacopy/AD900 PRO with the requested software. (I use this equipment and work for all VAG brands) Go to Advanced Diagnostics ou Elmetools and confirm all the procedure and models application.

You need 4 transponders: 48 AUDI CAN, 48 SEAT CAN, 48 SKODA CAN and 48 VOLKSWAGEN CAN, to precode in Megacopy after read the 7 digits precoding.

Or you can buy the key to a dealer and you only need the T-Code to read the pin code and program the key. The key need to be ordered by VIN.

NOTE: Dont have any equipment to precode the 48 CAN by VIN. You need to read the 7 digits precoding for OBD.

As I understood this, the AD900 has a sort of "BETA" software as of now for customers to test only, but nothing confirmed as far as true positive results though. If you look at the new apps guide, it has a disclaimer about this feature.

I do have a Tcode PRO unit, so when these things come up...at least for now, it's get the customer to pick the key up and I'll go program the key.

I do have a feeling that this will be cracked wide open in very short time, fingers crossed, as I love doing VAG work.

Also, I'm in the states, I don't even know what Seat and Scoda are, save for they've been on my software menus for years. :)

[rapidlocksmiths]

abritus extracts the 7 bytes and programs via obd in a simple 10 minute process.

but the full dealer key package is 5K for vag

the clone by their own admission is missing modules
AN0022
AN0024
AN0025
AN0026

these are the vag dealer key learning modules required to do this. and the clone hasnt cracked them , so currently claims to have Q7 dealer key coverage and thats it , so bar this has no more coverage than the vag dash clones at less than a 10th of the price.

If abritus is beyond your budget , as has been mentioned obtain the precoded chip from vag and go from there or look at the AD900 or keycrypt options for cheaper coverage of these functions.

[Rito]

What version clone you talk?? Vag-commander V.??

And no have clone for produce transponder??

I am interesting in this tool or Software for my T-code But for It I need bay Megacopy/AD900 because I have Zed-Bull...

I need make good choise......

[labusas]

How come nobody mentiones Code reader 2 for this job? I haven't tried on this car but it should be able to.

Here's manual:
http://www.noimmo.lt/content/images/product/1235402495_Code%20Reader-2.eng.pdf

It can work with
Megamos 48 Crypto transponder eemprom. But doesn't help if all keys lost.
Maybe someone can confirm, yes or no?

[lockbreaker]

I'm here to tell you, if it were supported at the moment, I'd be aware of it.

[rapidlocksmiths]

well its supported all right if you want to pay for it ,

either of the 2 dealer key packages here cover it
VAG Packages - VAG - AVDI & COMMANDERS (http://www.kapdiagnostics.com/index.php/avdi-commanders/vag/vag-packages.html)

or these options for stand alone

VAG K + CAN Dealer Key Device - OTHER DEVICES (http://www.kapdiagnostics.com/index.php/other-devices/vag-k-can-dealer-key-device.html)

or you can buy direct from abritus72 or edilock in bulgaria if you wish also , abritus have had this coverage for some time and the AA here in the uk have it on all 10 of their key vans and have been using to good effect for almost a year now.

or if you prefer you could buy from advanced diagnostics their package now non beta , released last month for use on AD900 pro and ad100 pro or mvp pro , check page 15 of the december newsletter below

http://www.advanced-diagnostics.co.uk/pdf/News/Newsletter_Dec2010.pdf#154508

so its certainly supported , and has been for some time , im surprised you havnt heard of it as many have it already.

[lockbreaker]

Yes, I got that in the mail. If you look at the bottom page, for "USA Market", you'll see what I mean, and understand my reservations.

I have been aware of that for a while, but it's still being developed for my market.

I understand our differences now, and sorry to seem ignorant, but obviously you see where I'm at with it now too.

[rapidlocksmiths]

cross purposes , so theres differences between the us market and uk market , i had assumed vag was vag world over , so live and learn i guess .

didnt think ignorence at all just as i didnt mean to sound condescending , the written word is often miss read thus i never assume anything by it.

im looking forward to getting a first hand view of your market whilst at the just cars show in vegas in may, and of course see how well the us auto guys deal with their beer in the pm.

[labusas]

Are we assuming in this discussion that "ALL KEYS are LOST"?
What are the options if one key is still available? It certainly could be read and/or copied without Abritus Dealar learning option, right? Above mentioned code reader 2 can work with Megamos 48 Crypto transponder eeprom.

[lockbreaker]

cross purposes , so theres differences between the us market and uk market , i had assumed vag was vag world over , so live and learn i guess .

didnt think ignorence at all just as i didnt mean to sound condescending , the written word is often miss read thus i never assume anything by it.

im looking forward to getting a first hand view of your market whilst at the just cars show in vegas in may, and of course see how well the us auto guys deal with their beer in the pm.

quite well, I should say. (about the beer in the evening part)
Should be an interesting , entertaining, and good learning exprerience for you. Mr LI. is supposed to be in attendance.

[rapidlocksmiths]

they are hoping to get him a visa , though it can be tricky following his uk visa , depends upon the clerk in the visa center on the day im told , apparantly far harder than other countries, more red tape than most.

il have to get some beer practice then

[lockbreaker]

start now.

[rapidlocksmiths]

oh dear , i can see this becomming messy

[rapidlocksmiths]

Are we assuming in this discussion that "ALL KEYS are LOST"?
What are the options if one key is still available? It certainly could be read and/or copied without Abritus Dealar learning option, right? Above mentioned code reader 2 can work with Megamos 48 Crypto transponder eeprom.

as far as im aware , it isnt possible to read this from an existing key with any current equipment available , lost keys or not.

[autofan1965]

It is only half true. It is possible to determine byte number 7th when You have 6th byte and working key. You dont need make 256 try when You have 1 before programmed key. This bytes are secret in crypto transponder but I have recieved info that is chksm there and it tell us/car this that 7th byte are correct.

[EMCE159]

But how you're going to read edc17 or tacho with nec processor to get the CS bytes?

[autofan1965]

No, it was only answer for possibility read CS from existing key. exe123 can read CS from dash. Some Golf 6 should have old ECU like Golf 5 platform, maybe You can get it from there.

[exe123]

As far as I know all Golf6 use new dash with NEC.

[mastaflex]

according to their website , smelecom added this function in last update :

pdate 20/01/2011 (version: 006a 00c6)
Immo***65306;
Ford / Mazda: Key learning by OBD2 (not need code) for CAN-BUS cars.
4th Generation of VW Immo***65306;
1.Make dealer keys by Megamos48 chip (using transponder adapter).
2.Key learning by OBD2 (not need code , not need online).
3.Cover all VW / SKADA / SEAT cars that use NEC or Micronas MCU in dashboard.

[EMCE159]

To calculate CS from existing transponder you have 72057594037927936 possibilities. I wish you good luck:) I don't think that any golf 6 is using ecu from golf 5. I think that at this moment making keys for these cars isn't viable.

[autofan1965]

I have write that when You have 6th byte You can find byte number 7th with working key. It is not possible to read this bytes from trnansponder because this area is crypted, but transponder calculate chksm. Probably ECU from 1.6 benzin is same as in Golf 5.

[clearly]

Fully Tested and working

Golf 6 key programming by OBD
Also KM change on Golf6 By OBD


First Again

[JIMMYQ]

Fully Tested and working

Golf 6 key programming by OBD
Also KM change on Golf6 By OBD


First Again

i seen this being done so i can vouch for it too :)

[jasonlockman]

hi all, abritas can do this vehicle!!!!! on version 10
you need to use a t6 magic 2 chip, you have to put the vehicle into service mode fist.
a spare key can be done through the port.
but in a lost key situation you have to remove cluster and put into service mode via the eprom!!!! hope this helps