05 RENAULT SCENIC 1.5 DCI WONT START WHEN WARM

[justy22]

MY Scenic 1.5 dci wont start when warm even although its making 2500 psi when cranking but will start with a push , it starts ok when cold, changed filter today but made no diffrence, been getting harder and harder to start when warm last few months now just wont start when warm

any ideas anybody, seen a lot of people on net with same problem but no soloution

read the codes and came up with something like pressure sensor at maximum limit or something

all help appreciated exept for meaty (LOL)

[Ashraf6119]

Hi

Get your Starter Motor checked..............Also check all the earth wires..........if I remember well there should be a earth wire on gearbox bell housing some where check that as well..........But, 75% of the times it will be your starter motor............good Luck........

[justy22]

Hi

Get your Starter Motor checked..............Also check all the earth wires..........if I remember well there should be a earth wire on gearbox bell housing some where check that as well..........But, 75% of the times it will be your starter motor............good Luck........



ITS SEEMS TO CRANK OVER FINE AND MAKES 2500 PSI FUEL PRESSURE

READ THE CODES AND CAME UP WITH DF 053 RAIL PRESSURE REGULATION FUNCTION AT MAXIUMUM LIMIT

[albertros]

Start with tdc sensor. Use proper Renault one as the none oe can be hit and miss

[justy22]

anymore ideas anyone

wont start when warm, but will start with push, starts from cold ok, also makes 2500psi when cranking fault code DF053

[smokey08]

Pull plug off temp sensor and try to start.

[justy22]

it wont turn over with any sensor disonnected


Pull plug off temp sensor and try to start.

[the_riddler]

High millage ??? Low compression ???

Just a thought..

[Galee]

I had this with a Citro?n xsara picasso 2003 we check fuel pressure and loads of things changed crank sensor and relays it turned out to be 2 of the injectors leaking back you can buy a kit to test it yourself from eBay or such , last time I looked they were about ?40/?60 failing that most garages can test it for you providing they got the kit.
Good luck

[albertros]

ITS SEEMS TO CRANK OVER FINE AND MAKES 2500 PSI FUEL PRESSURE

READ THE CODES AND CAME UP WITH DF 053 RAIL PRESSURE REGULATION FUNCTION AT MAXIUMUM LIMIT


Ignore this fault code. Its because the injectors arn't opening as there is no TDC info. Clip won't show faulty tdc but go into peramerters and look for engind rev speed.

If you want silly advice :-
Change the rear wiper motor or do as I say and start by eliminating the TDC

[immokill]

Hi

I had similiar problem , it was TDC sensor that solved it.
With Clip you can see in parameters if tdc is working.
Regards

[justy22]

Thanks for all the help guys, will have a look at tdc sensors also when i done timing belt a while back there is a sensor picks up the fuel pump pulley maybe give that a look

Where's Meaty's slavering pish when you need him , he's not contributed to this thread at all, wonder whats wrong with him he usually cant help himself , maybe inside for cottaging

[tecnov]

Thanks for all the help guys, will have a look at tdc sensors also when i done timing belt a while back there is a sensor picks up the fuel pump pulley maybe give that a look

Where's Meaty's slavering pish when you need him , he's not contributed to this thread at all, wonder whats wrong with him he usually cant help himself , maybe inside for cottaging

By what you are explaning i think it is a injector. you must do a check on te retern of fuel of each injector, or your water tempreture sensor.
WBR
Tecnov

[justy22]

Mate read the whole symptoms the car starts and runs fine from cold, will also start with a push when warm and run fine, nothing wrong with injectors or pump


maybe if i do change the rear wiper motor might just fix the problem according to some on here , meaty suggested greasing the tailgate hinges to aid starting when warm


By what you are explaning i think it is a injector. you must do a check on te retern of fuel of each injector, or your water tempreture sensor.
WBR
Tecnov

[smokey08]

You could also try jumpstarting to it to rule out a slow starter motor or a bad battery. More volts = more current = starter turning faster.

[justy22]

It also comes up with egr codes, egr locked but had these for a while, could this make it not start when warm

[rideon]

anymore ideas anyone

wont start when warm, but will start with push, starts from cold ok, also makes 2500psi when cranking fault code DF053
2500 PSI=172 BAR,you need at least 300,or 400 BAR/ 4350,5800PSI to start,see that you change the fuel filter,if you can still find the old one, check for metal particles.
Think is a pump/injector problem

[justy22]

2500 PSI=172 BAR,you need at least 300,or 400 BAR/ 4350,5800PSI to start,see that you change the fuel filter,if you can still find the old one, check for metal particles.
Think is a pump/injector problem


According to autodata minimum pressure needed for starting is 1000 psi

[Meat-Head]

MY
all help appreciated exept for meaty (LOL)

YEAH, THANKS WAS GOING TO SAY FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR, BUT NOT GOING TO NOW.

(sorry caps lock)

Sorry guys, been slack recently, i've been trying to catch up with various ~~~~no and threads since my vacation. Didn't want to go on vacation, but i did try to be on-line as much as possable.


Hi

Get your Starter Motor checked

HI YES TOYOTA AVENSIS DOES THIS AS WELL.

CAN YOU MEASURE BATTERY VOLTAGE WHILST CRANKING?


ITS SEEMS TO CRANK OVER FINE AND MAKES 2500 PSI FUEL PRESSURE

READ THE CODES AND CAME UP WITH DF 053 RAIL PRESSURE REGULATION FUNCTION AT MAXIUMUM LIMIT

Yes, *THINK* the Frogench when the fuel pressure regulator looses power, they go to full pressure


Start with tdc sensor. Use proper Renault one as the none oe can be hit and miss

Yup second that


Pull plug off temp sensor and try to start.



it wont turn over with any sensor disonnected



Well as your such a cold hearted bastard lol - see if you can get your ice cold heart, or ice cube, bucket of water etc etc on the temp sender.

or even, freeze the temp sender in an icecube, and plug the sender hole
(don't worry about anti-freeze temporally)



Where's Meaty's slavering pish when you need him , he's not contributed to this thread at all, wonder whats wrong with him he usually cant help himself , maybe inside for cottaging

"cottaging" - sorry had to google that one, at least you was aware of the phrase - surpised your not inside for "clocking"


You could also try jumpstarting to it to rule out a slow starter motor or a bad battery. More volts = more current = starter turning faster.

NO NO NO NO
ANY OTHER MEMBER, I WOULD BACK YOU UP, BUT NO SORRY, YOU ON YOUR OWN ON THIS ONE SMOKEY MATE :roflmao:



It also comes up with egr codes, egr locked but had these for a while, could this make it not start when warm

Can you block the EGR off with a bit of coke can?


2500 PSI=172 BAR,you need at least 300,or 400 BAR/ 4350,5800PSI to start,see that you change the fuel filter,if you can still find the old one, check for metal particles.
Think is a pump/injector problem


OR regulator, in lift pump breaking down.

Can you run it off a fuel can?

[rideon]

According to autodata minimum pressure needed for starting is 1000 psi
Not sure about http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f152/program-we-cant-talk-about-252549/ maybe they got it wrong
AFAIK,common rail diesel injectors work between 200:1500 BAR
2900: 21800 PSI ,average crank pressure is 300-400 bar in most cars I've seen,
You don't have enough pressure to start the car when hot,either your pump can't deliver,or your injector loose pressure

[Meat-Head]

JUST a though/question

when you PUSH OFF how far and what gear?


sorry my brain cant do numbers but when cranking what is speed?

when yyou PUSH OFF in 5th what is engine speed and how far do you ggo?


had an espace dumb ~~~~ had put flywheel on pissed so it 'wobbled'

rpm went 0 250 0 250 on computer

can you put your brains on the clutch?

[rideon]

Can get 2-300 rpm cranked.Depends on how hard the customer and his cousin are pushing you can get 5-600 rpm:alberteinstein:

[Meat-Head]

Where's Meaty's slavering pish when you need him , he's not contributed to this thread at all, wonder whats wrong with him he usually cant help himself , maybe inside for cottaging


Hang on, look at the date of posting, not been edited, notice how i didn't slag you off at all? :roflmao::roflmao:

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f174/2003-focus-instrument-cluster-ids-73831/index3.html#post1522026


Can get 2-300 rpm cranked.Depends on how hard the customer and his cousin are pushing you can get 5-600 rpm:alberteinstein:

What about towing it behind a locomotive?

[justy22]

Towing behind loco is a good idea as long as you are steering it meaty

I had 5000 Horse power last night, 16 coaches going along at 100 mph, runnin late so allowed to do 100 mph as it was the London Euston sleeper


Hang on, look at the date of posting, not been edited, notice how i didn't slag you off at all? :roflmao::roflmao:

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f174/2003-focus-instrument-cluster-ids-73831/index3.html#post1522026



What about towing it behind a locomotive?

[BRAVO6]

Most likely injector leak back or faulty HP pump.

Diesel section in this doc covers k9k engine. If you have Renault Clip there's a section in there for HP pump tests.

http://www.uas-bg.com/meganii/eng/MR366MEGANE1.pdf

[Meat-Head]

I had 5000 Horse power last night, 16 coaches going along at 100 mph, runnin late so allowed to do 100 mph as it was the London Euston sleeper


OFF TOPIC:-

No offense you you, but what tw@t said you could do that?

If your late, health and safty first, you hear all these stupid stories and threads, then you have what 30 peasants in each carrage?

If you had got derailed, not only would it have been another threAad for GMB to cut and paste, we would properbly have lost you.

Then who would leave me one less member to take the piss out of.

ON TOPIC:

Read the blokes description

Renault Kangoo 1.9dti: Starting Troubles - YouTube


Was looking for a polish video of another reno on you tube, thought this was more amusing.

Citroen Nemo rolls over in Which? tests - YouTube

Meat

[justy22]

Your perfectly safe to do 100mph as long as you agree with your control, 80mph is for passenger comfort but running late has such a knock on effect



OFF TOPIC:-

No offense you you, but what tw@t said you could do that?

If your late, health and safty first, you hear all these stupid stories and threads, then you have what 30 peasants in each carrage?

If you had got derailed, not only would it have been another threAad for GMB to cut and paste, we would properbly have lost you.

Then who would leave me one less member to take the piss out of.

ON TOPIC:

Read the blokes description

Renault Kangoo 1.9dti: Starting Troubles - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t309aWU4XXg)


Was looking for a polish video of another reno on you tube, thought this was more amusing.

Citroen Nemo rolls over in Which? tests - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcM9hkWrImU&feature=related)

Meat

[jonniebravo]

are you sure that injectors are good?

[justy22]

Yes they must be as the carwill start sometimes and run perfectly loads of power for a 1.5dci and doesent miss a beat would drive 200 miles no probs bue switch it off and will not start


are you sure that injectors are good?

[Meat-Head]

a beat would drive 200 miles no probs bue switch it off and will not start

Sorry, got distracted by them jump leads in your avatair.

DEFFO get a crank sensor, or carry a bucket of ice with you.

Serious question, do you have a leaf blower?

Them things that blows your leafs into the naybours garden?

try blasting crank sensor with it?

[smokey08]

What are ALL the faultcodes that were in there? I had one of these dci things a while back the sometime wouldnt start and it was the aircon triple pressure switch pulling the 5v for the sensors low.

[rideon]

According to autodata minimum pressure needed for starting is 1000 psi
This one is from micra with same engine......:rolleyes:

Rail pressure set point
PR008: (Engine starting pressure instruction)
Cold: 500 Bar
Warm: 300 Bar

[justy22]

where is the crank sensor located on this engine

[rideon]

On top of gearbox,stays there with two bolts

[justy22]

in live data map psi sits at 13.9 psi when engine not running is this ok,

[albertros]

where is the crank sensor located on this engine


Youve still not check it? The TDC sensor is the most common cause of this complaint!

Note buy a copy one and it may solve the problem but only a genuine one will eliminate the TDC unit if it is not this at fault, as the copy ones often don't work.

There may be a loom plug mod (there is on some renaults )

[justy22]

it cant be the crank sensor as in clip live data its working ok, fault code picked up by clip is DEF053 RAIL PRESSURE REGULATION FUNCTION 2 DEF AT MAX LEVEL

I noticed voltage to regulation sensor is only 1 volt, think it should be 4.5



Youve still not check it? The TDC sensor is the most common cause of this complaint!

Note buy a copy one and it may solve the problem but only a genuine one will eliminate the TDC unit if it is not this at fault, as the copy ones often don't work.

There may be a loom plug mod (there is on some renaults )

[Meat-Head]

in live data map psi sits at 13.9 psi when engine not running is this ok,

Good question, but atmospheric pressure is one bar, 15 psi

OFF TOPIC:-

When astronaughts download back to earth, because the zero gravity function fails on reentry to earth atmosphere, they can't stand up because the "pressure is to great" wusses


it cant be the crank sensor as in clip live data its working ok, fault code picked up by clip is DEF053 RAIL PRESSURE REGULATION FUNCTION 2 DEF AT MAX LEVEL

I noticed voltage to regulation sensor is only 1 volt, think it should be 4.5


Use a quailty volt meter to measure voltage, NOT your quailty chesnse clip

Sorry, have no understanding of where you are in Scotland - use the search botton and look for member "t.oluson" - use the word autel in your search, he is in scotland - no idea where, worth pestering him.

If you can't find him on here, - sure you can - there is an inferior reanult forum, he is on that - not that i would know about inferior websites.


Oh, as you think i'm stalking you, did think of you again today.

Not sure 100% why or what happened, but costomer was telling me, before she owned her vechile the "speedo kept going and going on it's own" - it is now showing, "521000" - but it has been logged on it's last mot now.

Is the milage now classed as "correct" or "IN-correct"?

[albertros]

Hi,
there is no fault code for a faulty tdc. I see so many of them faulty I just change them with this fault. Its not always the tdc granted but so easy just to swap and move on.

I have had a word with my contact at renault and he suggested cam sensor or crank sensor, with the starting from a push in mind.

I said it would start with a bad cam sensor but he disagreed and said it doesn't always start. He also agreed that the over pressure fault may be missleading.

[justy22]

i disconnected the cam sensor and managed to start it but would nt start with crank sensor off, in live data its showing that the rpm is reading



Hi,
there is no fault code for a faulty tdc. I see so many of them faulty I just change them with this fault. Its not always the tdc granted but so easy just to swap and move on.

I have had a word with my contact at renault and he suggested cam sensor or crank sensor, with the starting from a push in mind.

I said it would start with a bad cam sensor but he disagreed and said it doesn't always start. He also agreed that the over pressure fault may be missleading.

[vuno01]

maybe its crank sensor
but i think if you clean your starter motor or put a bigger battery it will start because
the engine needs to get at (For example) 200rpm when
cold to the ecu to start sending fuel
but when its warm it needs (for example) 300rpm and you starter motor just doesnt have enought power anymore to reach those requires.
you can also adjust your ecu map so it starts earlier when warm...

[justy22]

starter motor makes 250 rpm, it has a 2 year old bosch battery with 5 year warrenty

its started not starting when cold as well, looking like the hp pump



maybe its crank sensor
but i think if you clean your starter motor or put a bigger battery it will start because
the engine needs to get at (For example) 200rpm when
cold to the ecu to start sending fuel
but when its warm it needs (for example) 300rpm and you starter motor just doesnt have enought power anymore to reach those requires.
you can also adjust your ecu map so it starts earlier when warm...

[user2468]

i beleve is crank/cam sensor this hapen to me many times in MB and BMW, or check all sensors if have 5v

[albertros]

i beleve is crank/cam sensor this hapen to me many times in MB and BMW, or check all sensors if have 5v


There are 2 sensor banks, sensor 1 and sensor 2. Clip SOMETIMES picks up dead shorts on the sensore banks. A short takes the group of sensors out but clip only lists one as faulty.
The aircon pressure sensor is on sensor bank 2 and is a common fault. Unplugging this normaly brings the other ( map tds cam ) back on line.
The car doesn't start hot or cold with a sensore bank fault.

Current drawn is another guide. For example a faulty ecu normaly draws 11.98 volts and not battery volts in parameters on clip. So anthing with a doggy voltage needs further inverstigation.

Bad grounds is another common fault, just put a jump lead from battery ground to engine block. But not starting when hot? No, but then its a renault.

Engine rpm is only a guide as to weather the tdc is working, and then only when it won't start at all. The tdc/cam also sets up No.1 cylinder this looks like its failing when hot.

[rideon]

fault code picked up by clip is DEF053 RAIL PRESSURE REGULATION FUNCTION 2 DEF AT MAX LEVEL


I don't get it....already told you that you don't have enough high pressure to start,,surprise! your scan tool agree with me...and you're still stuck with cam and crank sensors..
That engine will soon start only pushed or with spray at least check the injectors,maybe you're lucky and find one faulty...

[smirnoff_rules]

sounds like the low pressure pumps playing up .. thats why on a jump start is fires up as your using the high pressure at higher revvs


had a vivaro in today ( shittest van ever made ) had starting problems now and again when warm , it was the a split in the return pipe and the pump on the feed pipe was ~~~~ed so the fuel was draining back into fuel tank , dont ask me why it started from cold , was thinking the pump in the tank worked better or longer when van was cold?

[Meat-Head]

had a vivaro in today ( shittest van ever made ) , was thinking the pump in the tank worked better or longer when van was cold?

OFF TOPIC


Haad an arrgument few months agoo

non dk member insists the loow pressure ppump is as an when needed

we decided it must run all times

but cant remember what found evidence it can drop out under certain conditions

[rideon]

but cant remember what found evidence it can drop out under certain conditions
There are High Pressure fuel pumps with internal Low Pressure pump that draw fuel from tank usualy there is a hand pump used for priming fuel filter,HP pumps with electric LP pump no problem priming here,and shitty setups like the on vivaro where electric LP is somehow useless because HP integrates LP ,these are the one...where electric pump may cut off under..??..conditions..
Not to mention vw crappy system on some models without anything resemblance priming pump..........


got confused writing this....hope i make sense.....:stupido2:

[leandroks]

Have a look on the distance between the rpm sensor and the fonic wheel. it has to be 1-1.25mm. it makes massive difference..

[justy22]

just read the excellent renault dealer workshop manual and my code df052 2 def points towards a faulty fuel flow sensor on the fuel pump , so gonna measure the resistance tomorrow and hopefully get a result

[smirnoff_rules]

it does sound like fuel pressure m8 , but being a Renault it could have ten faults lol


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[justy22]

reading the manal on high pressure fuel pump test, says pumping pressure should reach 1050 bar under test cranking, surely they mean psi as 1050 bar is 15000 psi

[Meat-Head]

*THINK*

OFF TOPIC

some pile of cak diesel mk3 astra gulf escort etc run at 20000 psi

commom rail run at higher prressure
you are meant to throw everty thing away you touch on common rail!

OFF TOPIC

pug partner injector pipe got JUST CAUGHT with grinder no damage blow hole in pipe

[albertros]

Hi,
Megane 2003 1,5 dci
readings taken

ECU - perameters
rail pressure 230 bar fluctuating
rail pressure demanded 230 bar

Engine made not to start

spun for 30 secs

Rail pressure 32bar
rail pressure demanded 300bar

[rideon]

reading the manal on high pressure fuel pump test, says pumping pressure should reach 1050 bar under test cranking, surely they mean psi as 1050 bar is 15000 psi
They mean 1050 bar....
Commonrail systems start at around 3-400 bar-4400psi- and can get up to 1800 bar -26000psi-

[Meat-Head]

Engine made not to start

spun for 30 secs



Cool, that's awesome, that's the type of information you don't get told about in school.

How did you disable it from starting?

Meat

[justy22]

fitted another fuel flow sensor and got car running but started doing same thing, so i dismantled fuel rail put back together and it starts then goes back to how it was, weird

i notice a lot of air bubbles coming out pump return hose to filter, when i got it running i gave it full revs 5k and it made 15000 psi fuel pressure, when its running it runs sweat as and has pleanty power so this puts me off fitting a new pump, if i knew it was pump for deffo i would glady buy and fit a 2nd hand one as loads for sale, inspected crank sensor noticed tiny splits in plastic but accoring to live data its getting a good read of engine rpm

[Tachotony]

Control the distance from the Valve 's !!!

regards Tonny

[smirnoff_rules]

have u checked all the pipes for splits ,, u shouldn't be seeing air bubbles

[Meat-Head]

have u checked all the pipes for splits ,, u shouldn't be seeing air bubbles

Would like to use the "Bump function" on that post.

can you run it off a can?
Syphon a couple of gallons of diesel, off your loco, see if the bubbles go.

Original I***39;m Forever Blowing Bubbles Song + Green Street Hooligans Sound Effects - YouTube

[albertros]

Cool, that's awesome, that's the type of information you don't get told about in school.

How did you disable it from starting?

Meat

Hi,
I didn't take the readings but as the car was having 4 new injectors I asume he just unplugged the injectors.

Its not the pump, or at least didn't start out as the pump,the ecu can't ref no1 when hot. I come across fuel rail presure faults logged with clip ( mainly on kangoo vans ) that never get serviced. I keep it in mind but only react as a last resort. The car would have to be a none starter to consider it as the primary fault.
Thats why we keep a known good tdc in the tool box, don't trust new until it runs.
I have only ever changed 2 pumps. You are now in danger of having introduced other faults.

I only do Renaults so there's always something around we can "borrow" a part from if it comes to it.

Its not unusual to see air bubbles when you have had the unions unfastend. It can take quite a while for them to clear once the car is running correctly.

Under NO circumstances leave an unfitted injector lying around without caps on. Injectors on these engines die for fun. The must ne torqued back in not as tightas you can get them to stop them blowing.
Distortion of the injector body tube through over tightening is a common cause of injector failure.
We have borrowed a set of good injectors from one van and fitted them in another van 15 feet away instantly and thats it, one of them won't work. They are evel little things.

[shadow12]

do not worry about air in fuel pipe on these, its normal, this fault is almost certainly caused by a faulty fuel injector, I had same fault on clio 1.5 dci, reading on clip were within limits but it turned out to be an injector

[smirnoff_rules]

did u code in the new injectors ?
can't remember if these need too be

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[justy22]

a while back the pump went and took all 4 injectors with it, so got a 2nd hand pump and 4 2nd hand injectors, fitted all was good although every now and again check injection came up and got hard to start, until now it just doesnt want to start , the injectors i fitted had diffrent numbers but this didnt matter i fitted them and it ran perfect until now

[Meat-Head]

yes seem to remember you had two threads about in

cant link on cell phone looking at dk instead of looking for something

[albertros]

Hi,
you'll find the injector numbers do matter. Part numbers that is.
The codes are to tell the pump how to react not a security code.
When you buy new injectors A new ecu programming disc is in the box. Later injectors don't work in early cars although I have managed to get them to run with the wrong injector code provided all 4 arn't the wrong part numbers also the delphi ecu is a later type.

[justy22]

what psi should i be getting at cranking from fuel pump

[luis12]

It seems like a poor ground to body, start motor lows the voltage in module, try reinforcing ground to cabin and check for volt raise during cranking.

[shadow12]

when previous pump failed did you clean complete fuel system? if not the tiny particles of metal in fuel system will eventually ruin new set of injectors

[justy22]

when previous pump failed did you clean complete fuel system? if not the tiny particles of metal in fuel system will eventually ruin new set of injectors


i think your spot on with this, gonna fit new injectors and get rid

[justy22]

fitted another fuel pump and it fired up right away, the pump i fitted a few months back must have been on the way out, the fault codes i was getting def 053 2 def pointed to a faulty pump or faulty fuel flow sensor

thanks for all the help on this one guys

[Meat-Head]

cool nice when people update threads

any chance of some postmorton photos?

oh and some of the fuel pump as well


gained a dead one but some **** binned it before could disect it

how long to fit the pump?

[justy22]

Give me your address and ill send the nacked pump to you so you can perform the post mortom Dr Meaty


cool nice when people update threads

any chance of some postmorton photos?

oh and some of the fuel pump as well


gained a dead one but some **** binned it before could disect it

how long to fit the pump?

[Meat-Head]

Give me your address and ill send the nacked pump to you so you can perform the post mortom Dr Meaty

that will cost a fortune to post, don't worry
BUT if you make a killing on a car sales, - car with low miles lol, then
Ship to:-

Home Address:-

Meat-Head (VIP & 2ND TOP POSTER)
'The Meat'
Meat Road
Meat-City
Meat-Headshire
M3A 7TS

If you would be so kind enough to reply. http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f152/1999-zafira-diesel-help-spluttering-225607/index2.html#post1533554

*THANKS

Meat

[the_riddler]

Give me your address and ill send the nacked pump to you so you can perform the post mortom Dr Meaty


Or the next time your flying over france lob it out the window..

French junk..