Lishi hu66 2 in 1 type preference?

[estate]

Currently have a twin lever type, but find it all a bit messy, always get there in the end but can't help but think the single lever would be easier and neater for gen 1 & 2 locks? Anyone got both and prefer one or the other?

[rapidlocksmiths]

They are both easy to use , i find both very quick , but when training , novices always find the single lift tool easier to use , if heavy handed then the single lift is most accurate as a heavy hand on the twin lift tool distorts the lifting snib and gives misreads , where as the single lift can take a heavier hand whilst maintaining accuracy on decodes.

with practice and following the correct sequence of picking order these should all open in 1 to 2 mins with ease from old to new , i had to open one at the local audi distribution yard where they deliver the new vehicles from , had a brand new A3 with keys locked in , i had an audience of 18 mechanics valeters and drivers betting on how long it would take , twin lift tool took 28 seconds to open , mind you it was an easy one with 3 No 4s in it.

just remember with gen 2 and 3 locks , pick positions 1 , 5 , 8 and 4 first in their binding order , once picked you will feel the plug turn a fraction , at this point pick positions 2 , 3 , 6 and 7 in their binding order and the lock will fall open , remember if a wafer moves at all even a fraction of a mm then leave it well alone , only pick a solid binding wafer .

HU66 is one of simplest to open with either version of the tool , what do you mean by messy ? if following correct sequence of picking vags will fall open with minimal practice time.

use a medium tension , you can increase tension a fraction once positions 1 , 5 , 8 and 4 are picked and set , follow the sequence , only pick the solid binding wafers and you wont go wrong .

remember on cars a few years old , if the keys never used , the grease they use bakes on and wafers get stuck out of position , always best to give these a flush out with wd40 or gt85 first then rake with a rake pick to free up wafers and get them all moving freely , once moving you can pick with ease.

[estate]

Thank you for that Martin. The trouble is, I've been lazy and have been using an inner groove to open them and them take the lock out to decode, for my needs it's all I need really, but I want to master the lishi's more and I need to study the info you sent me more. The tip about taking them is a useful one. Never thought of that :)

[key point]

Remember gen1/2 will give a straight decode using the old lishi decoder without picking. Audi till about 2003 and more or less all VW will straight decode without picking.

[ninja123]

I thought that was just gen 1? never had much success with that reader tool, so just dive in with 2 in 1 every time now.

ninja

[key point]

Done a 2007 passat and 2010 scirocco over the last 2 week, both straight decode.

[estate]

so just put a decoder in a push the wafers and decode Derrick? no need to try and pick?

[key point]

so just put a decoder in a push the wafers and decode Derrick? no need to try and pick?

correct. Always worth flushing and getting wafers moving first with a rake, otherwise you may get a wafer sticking and reading as a 3 or 4 when it could be a 1 or 2.

[rapidlocksmiths]

i use the newer direct decoder to direct decode these , direct read in past two weeks , 2002 golf , 2006 touran , 2006 golf , 2007 seat leon . the direct reader reads all gen 1 and most gen 2 without the need to pick first , as derrick says always flush the lock well to ensure all is moving properly inside , very quick and very simple , just read then cut key , great on all vag except as derrick says audi after 2002/2003

[p1et]

Don't want to create new topic so I'll ask here. What you think about this tool? https://shop.multipick.com/en/opening--locksmith-tools/automotive-opening/lock-manipulation/automotive-lock-decoder-kit/decoder-kit-vag. Here's the video: Decoder & Opening Tool For BMW & VAG Group Cars - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2uv5M-GLo8)

Somebody has any experience with that?

[paul_12345]

Don't want to create new topic so I'll ask here. What you think about this tool? https://shop.multipick.com/en/opening--locksmith-tools/automotive-opening/lock-manipulation/automotive-lock-decoder-kit/decoder-kit-vag. Here's the video: Decoder & Opening Tool For BMW & VAG Group Cars - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2uv5M-GLo8)

Somebody has any experience with that?

some people have more money then sense??

[p1et]

I'm asking because I got this stuff. I personally didn't buy it, just have it (not stolen :D). Tried on some lock but can't figure out that decoder. That one on the movie is working well and my is going full lenght on every wafer. I got Lishi tools 2in1 and single decoder for hu66 so wondering if that opening kit is worth keeping on garage :D

[estate]

i use the newer direct decoder to direct decode these , direct read in past two weeks , 2002 golf , 2006 touran , 2006 golf , 2007 seat leon . the direct reader reads all gen 1 and most gen 2 without the need to pick first , as derrick says always flush the lock well to ensure all is moving properly inside , very quick and very simple , just read then cut key , great on all vag except as derrick says audi after 2002/2003

any links to one of these Martin?

[rapidlocksmiths]

depending where you buy from but a few

https://www.apollo-auto.com/products-categorized-by-make/volkswagen/lishi-auto-lock-decoder-hu66-1-for-old2006

HU66 Gen. 1 & 2 Genuine Lishi Direct Reader - Trade Locks (http://www.tradelocks.co.uk/auto-locksmith-tools/genuine-lishi/hu66-gen-1-2-genuine-lishi-direct-reader.html)

hickleys , 3d group , advanced keys , north west keys , all stock this one

[estate]

apollo it is then.......... does gen 1&2 then? ( and audi's no later than 02? )

[rapidlocksmiths]

i got mine from apollo .

i have had no issues with it reading vw , seat or skoda , though audi can be hit and miss especially after 2002 . The reader works well and is accurate , but as with all direct read decoders it relys on the wafer springs in the lock being in good state .
heavily worn wafer springs are what cause misreads and all direct decoders are reliant on the wafer springs being in a good state , if heavily worn they will give misreads.

the 2in1 doesnt rely on the wafer springs as reads differently , so if you get a nadly worn lock the 2in1 is still the best way to go and the single lift tool is the most reliable at reading a picked worn lock.
ive picked so many of these now , that i tend to know what the decode is before decoding , you know the 4 cuts as didnt need to pick them , you know the others from the feedback clicks and how high you had to lift the wafer to set it , so you know the key before physically reading it .
i still prefer 2in1 , but direct decoders are fine too.

when using the direct reader it is essential to flush the lock and rake it to make sure everything is moving , sticky or jammed wafers just give misreads and cause head aches , so a minutes flushing and raking usually helps accuracy alot.

[autofan1965]

i use the newer direct decoder to direct decode these , direct read in past two weeks , 2002 golf , 2006 touran , 2006 golf , 2007 seat leon . the direct reader reads all gen 1 and most gen 2 without the need to pick first , as derrick says always flush the lock well to ensure all is moving properly inside , very quick and very simple , just read then cut key , great on all vag except as derrick says audi after 2002/2003

I think your knowledge about lishi is really big but touran is immposible to read with direct reader. Any picking sequence on gen4 hu66 locks?

[obdsystems]

apollo it is then.......... does gen 1&2 then? ( and audi's no later than 02? )

no apollo will supply twin lever type. i normally use single but then with little practice twin just as good

[whiskeyman]

lot of very new ones you will struggle with single
had 13 plate skoda other day
very clutchy
single not look at it
double open no problem

[rapidlocksmiths]

I think your knowledge about lishi is really big but touran is immposible to read with direct reader. Any picking sequence on gen4 hu66 locks?

use the same sequence as gen 2

[THeFOg]

I don't know if this help anyone but I just picked a brand new 2014 CC with 2-1 hu66. Single lift. Waiting to see how the 3-1 will works ?


Thank you for your time

[autofan1965]

Thanks for info but 2014 CC is same as 2005 passat B6.

[THeFOg]

Thx for the info. I guess the new Lishi 3-1 will do the trick no?


Thank you for your time

[rapidlocksmiths]

The HU66 3in1 is same as 2in1 other than it will have night vision , the hu66 doesnt need adaption as already picks and decodes the ignition , a few tools already do ignitions so wont change other than have night vision added.

some will have been modified to do ignition . these will all be shoulder & profile changes , extra cuts added and extended lifting arms to take in new cuts , some have to be narrowed and others totally redesigned , but hu66 is one that will stay the same other than having night vision added.

[camelgd]

I love my single-lifter, did a 2003 Passat today, spot on first time, as you Brits are fond of saying, cut trial key, right on the money. I've made more money with Hu-66 single lift than any other Lishi.:joyous:

[rapidlocksmiths]

agree it is awesome tool that doesnt let you down , it does the job . the only hard ones are when lock is dried out , siezed or corroded , prep the lock and it is smooth.

[estate]

I did a 2010 Audi S5 in under a minute with my twin lever this week..... Been practicing. Noticed my pick has a slight bow in it, would this cause read issues?

[obdsystems]

I did a 2010 Audi S5 in under a minute with my twin lever this week..... Been practicing. Noticed my pick has a slight bow in it, would this cause read issues?

congratulations call yourself a locksmith :party:
we'll have to meet up estate sometime :)

[estate]

Hi could practice for years and still not be able to call myself that!!! It was more a case of nice new wafers that luckily fell into place as I was trying to make sure they were free :D

[obdsystems]

Hi could practice for years and still not be able to call myself that!!! It was more a case of nice new wafers that luckily fell into place as I was trying to make sure they were free :D

still laugh at myself lol - sure Martin would smile. yeah lets meet up next month for a chat - i'll pop over to your place :)

[estate]

Sounds good.


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[joker01]

They are both easy to use , i find both very quick , but when training , novices always find the single lift tool easier to use , if heavy handed then the single lift is most accurate as a heavy hand on the twin lift tool distorts the lifting snib and gives misreads , where as the single lift can take a heavier hand whilst maintaining accuracy on decodes.

with practice and following the correct sequence of picking order these should all open in 1 to 2 mins with ease from old to new , i had to open one at the local audi distribution yard where they deliver the new vehicles from , had a brand new A3 with keys locked in , i had an audience of 18 mechanics valeters and drivers betting on how long it would take , twin lift tool took 28 seconds to open , mind you it was an easy one with 3 No 4s in it.

just remember with gen 2 and 3 locks , pick positions 1 , 5 , 8 and 4 first in their binding order , once picked you will feel the plug turn a fraction , at this point pick positions 2 , 3 , 6 and 7 in their binding order and the lock will fall open , remember if a wafer moves at all even a fraction of a mm then leave it well alone , only pick a solid binding wafer .

HU66 is one of simplest to open with either version of the tool , what do you mean by messy ? if following correct sequence of picking vags will fall open with minimal practice time.

use a medium tension , you can increase tension a fraction once positions 1 , 5 , 8 and 4 are picked and set , follow the sequence , only pick the solid binding wafers and you wont go wrong .

remember on cars a few years old , if the keys never used , the grease they use bakes on and wafers get stuck out of position , always best to give these a flush out with wd40 or gt85 first then rake with a rake pick to free up wafers and get them all moving freely , once moving you can pick with ease.


I'll try this opening sequence ....
I am a beginner blacksmith and today I started playing a little with lishi .....
hu66 after 3/4 hours of unopened rehearsals
sip22 open after 20min.


via update on hu66 because it seems impossible to me ....

[Weasel3]

I'll try this opening sequence ....
I am a beginner blacksmith and today I started playing a little with lishi .....
hu66 after 3/4 hours of unopened rehearsals
sip22 open after 20min.

via update on hu66 because it seems impossible to me ....

Every wafer, need to spring back easy.
Need to flush the lock, with liquid.
Before even touching anything.
Sometimes need to play with the wafers, for more than an hour.
To make them smooth.
Need also single lifter, to push back opposite the wafer which is stuck.
(Several times, to make it loose).
Then go back to twin, when all is loose and spongy.
Very small spring tension, on these.
So many times, use to much force.

[rapidlocksmiths]

users only make 2 errors when learning to pick the hu66 lock , too much tension and over lifting a position .

too much tension causes too much pressure on the lifter so easy to overlift a position , if the twin lift tool too much tension will also break the picking snibs on the tool

before picking you apply tension then very gently feather lightly go to each position and feel each wafer , if it moves leave it alone , if it has a tight slap on spring it is likely already set , but any movement on the spring leave it alone , only pick a solid wafer and only 1mm at a time until moving then move to next solid wafer .

pick positions 1584 first in their binding order , when all have movement pick positions 2367 in their binding order

hu66 is one of easiest to pick and is rarely more than a 1 minute opening with practice

[joker01]

tried again this morning following your advice and suggested binding order but I have not opened it .....
during the week I'll take some blocks from the wrecker to practice ...
what i notice is that i have some pins left (especially 4) which are very spongy and i don't feel good spring sensitivity ....

[joker01]

slowly you learn ..... open 2 hu66 in less than 5 minutes .... thanks to all for the valuable information

[rapidlocksmiths]

its all about bench time and practice to understand the various locks and to perfect your tension , feel and technique , no other way other than to put the time and effort in .

[hollanda]

If the lock have a lot off cuts 4 then it will be little more difficult
With single lifter it’s mutch easier for this locks.
But original single Lishi lifter is not anymore available from the factory
Supertools works also fine

[rapidlocksmiths]

If the lock have a lot off cuts 4 then it will be little more difficult
With single lifter it’s mutch easier for this locks.
But original single Lishi lifter is not anymore available from the factory
Supertools works also fine

single lift hu66 is still available at uk suppliers https://www.nwkeys.co.uk/Product/original-mr-li-pick-decoder-vw-hu66-single-lifter-ign-door-boot

[joker01]

the various versions of the lishi eg hu66 V.3 concern the years of car production in particular or do you always have to use the latest version available for all that type of lock?

[rapidlocksmiths]

they are always backwards compatible , they changed to overcome obstacles from the vehicle makers , ie on hu66 v2 was introduced to overcome some sunken locks where an extension on shoulder was required , v3 was the introduction of the twin lift tool to combat the decode issues caused by scoring the area the tool reads on some so alters where you read from .
theres always a reason for the change but normally backwards compatible.

[joker01]

https://www.locksmithmag.com/news/identify-hu66-gen-1-2-3-locks/

maybe useful for some beginners like me ...

[rapidlocksmiths]

its a long time since i wrote that one

[joker01]

It is possible that on touareg kessy and audi a6 ezs a 9-slot key is also needed in the door lock.
i could not open with lishi 8 cuts.
from info you find I think that the 9th cut is only on the ignition but I'm not sure .........

[doolittle]

It is possible that on touareg kessy and audi a6 ezs a 9-slot key is also needed in the door lock.
i could not open with lishi 8 cuts.
from info you find I think that the 9th cut is only on the ignition but I'm not sure .........

100% there is only 8 cuts in door..

problay frozen

[joker01]

oookkk thanks .... my technique is still not good

[joker01]

hi.......
touareg ok....
audi not ok......not open....
washed with wd40 and tried for a long time......no opening of this lock...
tell me that lishi single lift will help me???
did you always open all the locks or sometimes some hu66 gave you some problems...
I re-read all the advice in the post... if you have others, write.....

[hollanda]

hi.......
touareg ok....
audi not ok......not open....
washed with wd40 and tried for a long time......no opening of this lock...
tell me that lishi single lift will help me???
did you always open all the locks or sometimes some hu66 gave you some problems...
I re-read all the advice in the post... if you have others, write.....

Sometimes you can try to “lock” the lock and then write code. Some locks hard to unlock but when you lock the door it’s fast.

[joker01]

Uhm......I can't understand what you mean......google translate maybe it doesn't help....

[lion0304]

That mean you pick the lock the way you can do, decode then cut the blade.