2013 citroen C3 key cut code

[ninja123]

Does anyone know how to decipher the new key cut codes for this car?

I have a 2013 citroen C3 and need to cut the key to code, the blade is a VA2 blade, but the lishi VA2 and VA6 2 in 1's wont touch this lock.

Any info on how i can cut this key would be great!

My key code came as NM2N7438364

Thanks guys, ninja

[dam495]

hi, what tool do you have to add the key ? is it possible you stripe down the drive lock side ?

[ninja123]

I can add key no prob, its just the key cutting that i have problem with.

ninja

[rapidlocksmiths]

from memory you use the miracle machine ? i use viper so in viper i just select by code and enter last 6 digits and it cuts it or i can enter direct cuts in which case i just reverse the last 6 digits and enter this , if you dont have facility to enter manufacturer code and need to enter direct cuts , then take the last 6 digits and reverse them , so for your code for entry of direct cuts enter : 463834 . as well as viper i have a miracle a6 on van at mo and it can take this series as direct cuts.

im not sure if the A5 has the 1234Q5678H series on it , A6 has , if not look for and cut as a toyota aygo on ic card 1126 .

if a5 only allows cuts 1234 , then try as a last resort 433134

but if your machine has the series on it cut 463834 and it will cut your required key

lishi will decode it but on these latest locks you need a scope to help you .

they use inverted wafers in random positions , which means that when you expect one row to read on top right and other row to read on bottom right as expected , this isnt always the case , the lock must be treated as a 4 track lock due to these inverted wafers , so some positions on key will read on top right some will read on bottom left , some will read on bottom right and some will read on top left .
if you break lock down to 4 corners , some wafers could be read by key in all 4 corners in some locks , 3 of the corners in some lock and on just 2 corners on other locks , it depends how they have used the inverted wafers .

what i do is pick with lishi and decode , i then look in lock with a scope , and note which wafers read in which corner , ie if only 2 corners being used ( top right and bottom right )the decode from lishi will be correct , if i see wafers in top left or bottom left i then note the positions of these , i then reverse the reading from lishi in those positions to get correct cuts .

i have sent details to mr li on this so he can make a tool that will accurately decode all of these locks by making a 4 lifter tool that decodes all 4 corners to get an accurate read straight off of the tool.

[ninja123]

Thanks mart, but lishi tool don't even pick this lock, no 1 position is dead, can pick the next 5 but lock don't turn. A5 has that va6 series, tried cutting reversed and forward but no good. It looks like this is another adaption of the va2 lock series, did you notice the number 7 before the last 6 digits? Maybe 7 cuts on this key?
has anyone done a late Citroen successfully yet?
thanks, ninja

[rapidlocksmiths]

hi

i saw the 7 but these codes have normally had a number in this position that has always been irelivent , maybe its a new series or lock not aware of yet , but i doubt this , i think more likely ;

lock issue
code issue
spacing / cutting issue
code issue

can you gain entry by other means ?

[rapidlocksmiths]

ive done a 2012 ds3 with no issues , im wondering if this is nothing more than a dodgy lock mate , ive opened some brand new ds3 and ds4 vehicles at dealers so a lock change is unlikely .
if only feeling 5 wafers and feeling nothing in position 1 , it sounds like the pick isnt entering the lock far enough , it could be same issue with the key not entering in the lock far enough too.

i would check to see if the wafer in position 6 is correctly set , and not siezed in wrong position preventing key entering it , try flushing out and raking with a hand pick , then feel each wafer with hand pick to ensure you have 6 free moving wafers , then try pick and key again .

i shortened and thinned the little wing at the tip of key to help easy fit.

it could have some grit or something in end of barrel that blocking the hole the wing slips into , the key you have reversed code on and cut , try filing off the wing at tip and see if it now opens , this would confirm a blockage in the hole the wing locates in .

can you airbag door to open, or hand pick with hand picks , overlifters , rakes etc , if so try the key you have cut in ignition and petrol cap if a locking cap , this would help id or rule out a door lock issue , it will also rule out an incorrect code on file and issued , wouldnt be first time code is wrong .

im not saying that they havnt introduced a new series , just that ive not seen it and ive picked 13 plate and 63 plate models in past , so unless brand new series that even code softwares are unaware of yet , then id be looking to rule out door lock issue first , also thinning and shortening the wing at tip to see if this is the issue .

on the key you have cut , put some ink on the cuts , insert in lock , turn and jiggle it up and down , remove key , see if position 1 at bow has marked at all , or if you have another va2 lock , insert your cut key into , marke blade with a line where it stops at facecap , you now have the depth it goes in to , now put key in your ds3 see if it goes in to same depth or not , this will rule out a blockage or confirm simply.

if you cut key on card 1126 then you could try again on 1125 , as spacing differs slightly on this one .

im sure it will be a lock issue , code issue or spacing issue , failing all that its a new series not on machines as yet though doubtfull as silca etc are normally on ball , but thats not to say its not the case

[ninja123]

The door is open, and both keys that I cut don't fit ign or door lock, so this Citroen key is cut as a Renault va6?? Don't have any other options under Citroen on a5 machine
all other citroens that I've done have been va6 with cut code ABCDEF.

ninja

[rapidlocksmiths]

this ones cut as series 1234Q5678H as clio 3 is on ic card 1125 , or you can cut as ic card 1126 for toyota aygo but depth differs slightly , you need to cut this one as you would the clio 3 .

it doesnt cut as ABCDEF series as this series has 6 heights , yours has 4 heights .

im not familiar with miracle A5 software , the A6 has the 1234Q5678H series on it under va2 .

i know you have done clio 3 in past ninj , cut as a clio 3 on ic card 1125 using your code reversed , so direct cuts 463834 and you will be fine , unless code is wrong

dont cut as citroen , cut as clio 3 preferably or aygo . ds3 , ds4 and ds5 will cut as clio 3 .

if this doesnt work , then pull and strip the lock as i then suspect the code will be wrong or somethings gone wrong with D&S during cutting , but if you cut it as a clio 3 i think you will be fine

[rapidlocksmiths]

if over this way i can run you one off to code on viper , or order a blade cut to code from 3d , this will be a positive way to determine if code wrong or your machine cutting wrong .

[ninja123]

Ive got new va6 lishi and it dont fit in the lock, ive done loads of clio 3's now without any problems, and A5 has that series 1234q5678h, Ive used it without problems in the past.
Ive cut the key as the code reversed last 6 and it dont fit, very hard to get into door lock and ign lock, and the lishi goes into the lock the same as it goes into any other lock.
What lishi have you used on the later cars you've done? new VA6 or VA2?

Thanks for your advice, but already gone down all routes except removing loack as owner dont want me to do this, hence ordering codes in the first place!!!

Any more theories most welcome :)

ninja

[rapidlocksmiths]

i use latest va6 , but i have a few and 1 with the wing removed , i also have 1 i adapted to fit ignition and pick and decode this , i have a few of each tool and all adapted for ignitions , doors to make my life easier .

as ive said ive done keys on ds3 on 2012 and ive opened 2013 ds3 and ds4 without issue , which is why i think something else is going on with yours mate , either duff lock or wrong code, wouldnt be 1st time code was out .

if you file down the 1st small shoulder on tool on both sides , so same height as blade on both sides it will pick ignition and decode , this should help.

all i can suggest if customer wont let you pull lock is to order blade cut to code from 3d or dealer , if still no go then code issue and they wont have a choice .

swap out the lock set as id love to have a go at this one to see whats what with it , where is it ninje , is it a short drive from me ?

[ninja123]

Birmingham handsworth, do you have a picture of modified lishi, then I'll try ign lock.
Thanks for your help mate.

ninja

[obdsystems]

on A5 set cut from 2.0 to 1.8. Peter gave me advice for an Argo

[rapidlocksmiths]

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i converted a mates auto smart tool to fit ignition for him , picture attached , same mod on lishi tool , takes minutes to do to convert to ign tool .

if your machine is cutting a good key to code , it has to be an incorrect code mate , you could ask whom ever you bought code from to double check this for you , send them vin again , or if customers code card , then they may have an incorrect card , if the case id order codes mate and see if they differ .

failing that order key cut to code from 3d mate , if no good then customer has no choice but to let you pull lock , if codes wrong then it will need stripping down.

it can only be a miscut key or a bad code mate , or unlikely but possible , new rules for decoding code .

[rapidlocksmiths]

how did you get on with this one in the end mate

[ninja123]

I will try to go back to this today, been mad busy, customer did say he may try elsewhere to get this done, hope im in time.Will report back tonight, I have modded VA6 tool so can try ign - also - will modded tool still do door lock?

ninja

[rapidlocksmiths]

yes but can be sloppier fit , but still picks and decodes door .

[obdsystems]

did a c4 today and only 1.8 cut would open door. standard 2.0 would not. fault with A5s

[ninja123]

did a c4 today and only 1.8 cut would open door. standard 2.0 would not. fault with A5s

can you explain further? did key fit ignition?

was it va2 or va6?

Ive never had a problem with va2, using 2mm, or clio mk 3's, just these other ones, c1, 107 and that late c3.

never got back to the c3, someone else got there first :(

ninja

[obdsystems]

can you explain further? did key fit ignition?

was it va2 or va6?

Ive never had a problem with va2, using 2mm, or clio mk 3's, just these other ones, c1, 107 and that late c3.

never got back to the c3, someone else got there first :(

ninja

The C4 i did yesterday (code from existing key) did just about work door but not ignition for sure until 2nd cut at 1.8.
Peter from lockdecoders told me this trick while doing a C1. It's run through my mind that no matter how good i've picked the damn lock, that the key must be cut ok.

And I've got the HU66 adaptor but still have problems with that also on those extended hu66's due to depth - i've cut a frigging key 5 times lol

anyway i must find how to change depth but diameter setup i use is ...
> Lazer cut to 1.9
> Lazer VA2/VA6 cut to 1.8
> standard 2.0

So may be A5 at fault ??
Wish peter hadn't been banned from the forum as he would help

[ninja123]

I have no probs at all with hu66, how are you cutting them? on the top clamp?

ninja

[vehiclekeys]

hi ppl,
sorry new to the job,
so got question i got a citreon ds3 on a 14 plate code has come back as letters and 747433 so if i reverse thit number that would be the key cutting code and blade profile is a va2.
and it has a deadlock how does that work and how do we get it to work?
thanks for ane feedback.

[castin]

Last day im fit new key to door lock ds3 2013. Pick Lishi VA2T. Decode and use VA2T tool for spare key.