Opel Astra G won't start

[Tawe]

I have problem with 2000 Opel Astra G 1.7 DTI that won't start.


I read with diagnostics (OP-Com and Autocom) and there is not any fault codes.


I think that is immo. I reset ecu, immo and erased keys, and after that coded ecu, immo and program new transponder key. Car crank but no start.


I checked fuses, cranshaft sensor, replaced injection control unit, replaced ecu, but problem is still there.


Any help ?

[jjrp255630]

check pump ecu

regards

[Tawe]

check pump ecu

regards

I have already replaced two or three of them, won't start with any.

[jjrp255630]

light error in dash is blinking?

[Tawe]

light error in dash is blinking?

On ignition light is on, and when I crank it goes off.

[jjrp255630]

you make reset code in BCM and Dash?

[Tawe]

you make reset code in BCM and Dash?

There isn't BCM and no immo in dash.

[jjrp255630]

but try reset immo on dash

[Tawe]

but try reset immo on dash
I don't think that there is immo in dash, but if it have immo, how to reset it ?

[Meat-Head]

No immo in dash. Crank it untill the starter catches fire or untill you locate the DK thanks button then see if any codes.

what happens if you try an entire can of easy start

[Tawe]

No immo in dash. Crank it untill the starter catches fire or untill you locate the DK thanks button then see if any codes.

what happens if you try an entire can of easy start

Here goes the likes :)

I haven't tried yet easy start, I have to buy one.

[Meat-Head]

Well buy or shoplift whatever but I have THREE tins if the stuff in my fridge (seriously), ALWAYS keep at least one tin in he fridge, good stuff for inhaling.

[flyins]

Here goes the likes :)

I haven't tried yet easy start, I have to buy one.

No fault codes!! Please check fuel filter and smell for petrol!!! Dont ever believe customer they will say no never put petrol in lol,
just check lol, sounds daft but been there many times, even to garages that have spent days changing pumps etc...

[Meat-Head]

Better still flying. Pour fuel filter out, flick a match

[Tawe]

There is fuel to pump, but not after that and no fuel at injectors.

[flyins]

There is fuel to pump, but not after that and no fuel at injectors.
If its petrol it wont compress like diesel, also fuel metering on back of pump ok? You do mean dti isuzu engine and not td engine?

[flyins]

Better still flying. Pour fuel filter out, flick a match
yea to the inside of the car lol, less headache

[Tawe]

It is diesel 1.7DTI engine (Isuzu Delco Bosch EDC15M).

[Meat-Head]

How many miles on the clock, has it ever been owned by Justy22?

[Tawe]

86370miles but I think it have been taken back :)

[Meat-Head]

Possable the doofler done 150K and now game over, insert coin

[Shmortz]

see if you have engine RPM and pump RPM in live data while cranking, these engines start without problem without cranckshaft sensor, but can not regulate the injection timing... if you have problems with pump module usually you should have P0251 stored, if there is pump RPM while cranking try to replace ECU...

[Tawe]

see if you have engine RPM and pump RPM in live data while cranking, these engines start without problem without cranckshaft sensor, but can not regulate the injection timing... if you have problems with pump module usually you should have P0251 stored, if there is pump RPM while cranking try to replace ECU...

When cranking there is pump and engine RPM. I have also tried with several ECU's with same number, coded it and still don't work.

[Tawe]

Also to mention that when I turn on ignition, fan is spinning.

[ninja123]

firstly, injection pump ECU dont need coding, so explain exactly what you did to code it.

second, usual cause for fan on is Main ECU not powered up or faulty, but may just be faulty fan control module on this car.

If you can see engine rpm in live data then crank sensor is ok, have you tried changing the CAM ensor, this will stop the engine from starting.

Also, if pump ecu was at fault, you will have fault codes stored.

ninja

[Tawe]

firstly, injection pump ECU dont need coding, so explain exactly what you did to code it.

second, usual cause for fan on is Main ECU not powered up or faulty, but may just be faulty fan control module on this car.

If you can see engine rpm in live data then crank sensor is ok, have you tried changing the CAM ensor, this will stop the engine from starting.

Also, if pump ecu was at fault, you will have fault codes stored.

ninja

I have coded engine ecu, not pump ecu. I have replaced several pump ecu's.
Fan spin at moments, I can't guess when it will spinn, like a ghost is inside it.
I can see engine rpm in live data. I don't think that this model have CAM sensor (2000 Astra G 1.7D DTi Y17DT). If it have, where is it ?
I tried with defected pump ecu, and gives 0251 which is correct. When I put another pump ecu, don't show this error, but still won't start.

[Tawe]

I don't know where to search anymore for problem.
- replaced and coded engine ecu
- replaced pump ecu
- checked fuses and relays
- no fault codes
- engine and pump rpm is correct in live data
- crank sensor is ok
- mil light isn't blinking for immo or simmilar


And after all of this, there isn't fuel between pump and injectors.

[Meat-Head]

STUPID QUESTION TIME:-

Has the lumpy stick belt snapped?
Did you try inhaling easy start?

[Shmortz]

Replace pump of you are shure that there is fuel coming to the pump

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[Meat-Head]

If its petrol it wont compress like diesel, ?

Thought any liquid cannot be compressed, or has the laws of physics been changed by the Tories

[ninja123]

cam sensor only on cdti.

Also, if no fuel to injectors and no fault codes, could be faulty fuel pump.

I have had one of these reading quarter tank of fuel, but it was empty, no fault codes either.

if no fault codes and all live data correct, you need to be looking for a mechanical problem.

ninja

[flyins]

Thought any liquid cannot be compressed, or has the laws of physics been changed by the Tories

just for you meaty
Can you compress a liquid (water)? (http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae15.cfm)
and you should know that a diesel pump wont work properly with petrol thus struggling to pull it and pressurize
just a quick link above for some physics for you meaty mate
Or did you want me to say it pressurizes ? lol

[Meat-Head]

1) premierd posted about driving a series ii land rover duesel 25miles on neat petrol
2) NO MORE HELP ANYBIDY, untill we find out if the guy checked lumpy stick belt and had a good sniff is easy start

[super jumbe]

2 possible causes.

1. Cat blocked
2. Head gasket damaged on compressor cylinders check compressor on all cylinders.

[Meat-Head]

How can no diesel to injectors be cat or head gasket. Might not have a puddy cat at that age

[bursuc]

same problem here aswell. no fuel to the injectors,
No fault codes , change the injection pump , i am checking the EDU unit now...but there is no fault code on engine .
I keep you informed with what io found .

[bursuc]

change EDU unit with a working one and still i don't get any diesel on injector pipes.... mine is a Vauxhall Combo Y17DT engine... the injection pump initialli come off the engine, the bolts that was holding the pump come off.
Another garage take the job and instead putting new bolts to the pump , they weld it to the engine... and after that it did not start anymore.
I was presuming that they burn the EDU unit when they weld it , i've change it few minutes ago and still no luck.... no diesel.... what could be wrong .... i didn't change the main ECU , but i can't fiind no reason why i should change it .

No fault codes ...immobilise status is fine, key is recogniosed... there is diesel in fuel filter......with easy start the car starts and runs as long i am spraying but drops dead when i finish easy start.... ( just finish 2 sprays )

i am a bit stuck here...

[Meat-Head]

Right, ok, THINK on the pipe end of the pump is a 36 mm solenoid, unplug it see if you get fault cide.

look on eBay at pumps, unplug other solenoids, see uf you get fixes.

behind the lower ecu I had one before, on the bend bust wire.

nice to see somebody carrying on with a thread, rather than opening a new one.

[bursuc]

fiind the problem, on my combo the pump position sensor wires they were swapped around. there are 2 wires wich they suppost to be in a plug, but somebody cut the plug and replace it with ... ( i don't know the english word) but is like a pin.... so i was thinking if that is pump position sensor , the definetly it's working only with wires in good order... just swap them and car starts straight away.

. is the solenoid in the middle on the top of the pump. they are 3 solenoids .

From left to right 1 - fuel temp sensor 2 Pump position sensor 3 ( the big 36 mm ) fuel quantity adjuster )


:) now car starts :)

[Meat-Head]

Think you mean ' 1/4" Lucar'. Terminal. Connector - Lucar 1/4 wide 17.5 amp at www.rimmerbros.co.uk (http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RTC220A)

thats an expensive one, hope that price is fitted!

[Tawe]

Hi. Also I have solved problem. Found that at this car problem was fuel pump :)

[Meat-Head]

Great, did you charge the customer by the hour, week or by number of posts in your thread

[Tawe]

I wasn't for a customer, it's for friend of mine this time :)

[Meat-Head]

That's worse, you never get paid as much as doing as a works job.