Mini Zed Bull Clone FTDI chip problems

[estate]

Anyone else having issues with their mini zed clone? Apparently there is an FTDI update that kills clone ftdi chips? Anyone come across this and have a solution?

[zippy82]

Hi yes I got one a few months ago and just tried to get it to see the driver and wouldn't but luckly I had another I had in a drawer from ages ago and that worked first time, I heard it was something to do with copy ftdi chips

I'll just post what I found out in a min it's just on my laptop, don't know if it will help, I didn't really understand it and luckly didn't have to

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[estate]

I think a few will have some issues in the near future..........

[zippy82]

If you check my posts there's a link that coolsoda posted and I used that software with the second mini

That usbview can check the ftdi chip and I think it's something about VID or PID?!

I lost two nights trying to install that other one, there was something on the ftdi website but I can't find it now

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[estate]

FTDI yanks chip-bricking driver from Windows Update, vows to fight on ? The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/24/ftdi_bricking_driver_response/)

[zhumerchant]

You can use USBVIEW to see that the PID changes to 0000, it should be 6001.
Solution:
Use FTDI programmer, change PID to 6001. Downgrade driver to low version and disable Window driver update online.

[estate]

How to edit FTDI? does it need programmer?

[obdsystems]

The mini is junk anyway - seriously u used this mate!! :)

[estate]

I'm not a wealthy pro like you Steve ;) My junk mini has helped me eeprom probably over ?100k worth of cars in 12/18 months :D so i might spend another ?30 on one...... Seriously though, the issues it caused me yesterday, i think Tango will be getting my money before the end of Jan ( Self Assesment Tax Return time! lol! ).

[zippy82]

Yeah some are junk but effi only works with clone and as ninja said in other posts latest version can generate a lot more toyota chips than original zedbull and now I kinda understand all this pg-2 33 stuff a little more.

Saying that I'm looking at tango next year

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[zhumerchant]

How to edit FTDI? does it need programmer?
its not a hardwre, an utility program from FTDI official website. google it.

[paul_12345]

its not a hardwre, an utility program from FTDI official website. google it.

can you change the hardware ID of the fake FTDI chips????

[Faraday]

What's the problem? buy genuine chip from FTDI, replace, program VID PID with mprog, job done. No more problem with drivers

[estate]

edited PID to 6001 and still won't respond :(

[viw9419]

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[estate]

I'd love you to bits if you could, I know these are ?30 etc etc, but it's the winning that counts :D

[estate]

Device is installed ok with no conflicts and correct pid but still won't respond. Works fine standalone though.

[paul_12345]

Headquarters in the UK, I would write to them asking for a replacement chip, else you will take them to small claims court for loss of earnings etc.

Microsoft wouldn't brick your console even if they knew you had played 'backup' games.. ftdi can not justify their actions especially as you would have no idea the chip was fake.

[estate]

Surely they should be targeting the manufacturers and not the end user?

[paul_12345]

Surely they should be targeting the manufacturers and not the end user?

they should display a warning or not allow you to use the new drivers, they are totally liable for any loss.. and their driver withdrawal and statement shows that they know it, could cost them thousands if everyone took them to court

[viw9419]

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[estate]

changed my PID back to 6001 and deleted the drivers, works fine stand alone but says device not connected? pulling my hair out now.......

[viw9419]

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[paul_12345]

Just to be awkward.....

They have not bricked your device, they have made a driver which does not work with copy chips which is entirely legal. They have also made the driver differentiate between chips, legal again. The contentious part is that they have changed the PID from 6001 which is their (FDTI) PID, to 0000.
If the Chinese manufacturers had used their own PID and released a driver for that then there would be no issues.

Lay at the blame where the blame lies guys, unscrupulous Chinese chip manufacturers.

they haven't just made it not work with the fake chip they have changed the pid hence making whatever device is using it not work, and while it is out of order the chinese copying it is not their fault the device can not be used as it was not poor cloning or a bug it was a malicious driver intended to render the clone inoperable.

Also do not forget it is very easy for a batch of cloned chips to enter the market and be used without any knowledge that they are fake and who knows what critical machines could have these chips in

and it does not matter if it can be classed as legal or not they intentionally created code to damage propery that wasn't theirs and are totally liable, especially when the users (and maybe even the makers of the device) probably had no idea it had a fake chip.

The best way this should have been done is bring up a message saying you are using a fake chip and maybe even give a grace period where it will still run to give users a chance to get a replacement chip.

[Faraday]

Watch That Windows Update: FTDI Drivers Are Killing Fake Chips | Hackaday (http://hackaday.com/2014/10/22/watch-that-windows-update-ftdi-drivers-are-killing-fake-chips/)

[estate]

i understand all this drivers malarky, but i have changed my pid back to 6001 and it's still saying " device not responding "?

[viw9419]

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[viw9419]

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[obdsystems]

I'm not a wealthy pro like you Steve ;) My junk mini has helped me eeprom probably over ?100k worth of cars in 12/18 months :D so i might spend another ?30 on one...... Seriously though, the issues it caused me yesterday, i think Tango will be getting my money before the end of Jan ( Self Assesment Tax Return time! lol! ).

I'll re-think my mini !! but thought the full sized zed clone was better
I'd like to connect it to the pc for backup eeproming coverage.

estate Lets meet up for a beer this year !


PS. sounds like u need to run it on a virtual pc with old FDTI drivers
PS2. viw9419 your right PIDs cost FDTI company thousands and they are prob fedup with the clones. Annoying as it is for us as we all have a clone (or two lol)

[paul_12345]

The PID belongs to FDTI, if you use a cloned chip which fraudulently copies the PID of FDTI I see no issue with them deleting their PID from the cloned chip.

Just like if you run VCDS on a cloned device or other original software on cloned devices, they actually brick the device making it inoperable.
If anyone is unhappy that their cloned chip is damaged by running genuine software they should take it up with the supplier of the tool, so far no one seems to have this issue with genuine tools, only cheap Chinese clone tools.

not the same is it, you have no right to use a cloned tool at all, but still if they added malicious code to damage other hardware or car ecu because you used a clone then they are liable and could be sued for doing so even though it was an illegal clone.

They are killing a ftdi chip that could render a otherwise perfectly legal device inoperable, without any warning the chip is fake.. so have damaged a device that did not infringe on their IP rights by design and only contain a chip that would be near impossible to know it was fake, and just because it might be seen as morally or even if it was legally ok, it still leaves them liable, just like in the case of the talk about VAG CS.

how many parts in you tv will be fake? would it be ok to rip the parts out that was fake leaving the rest unable to work? No, the original maker has no right to, and also copyright law has some leeway hence you can wear fake clothes without them being able to take them off you, but you can not sell them.

Why is it Microsoft dont delete windows straight away or word when they detect a fake? it would deffo increase their sales if they did as people would get feed up reinstalling.

[viw9419]

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[obdsystems]

not the same is it, you have no right to use a cloned tool at all, but still if they added malicious code to damage other hardware or car ecu because you used a clone then they are liable and could be sued for doing so even though it was an illegal clone.

They are killing a ftdi chip that could render a otherwise perfectly legal device inoperable, without any warning the chip is fake.. so have damaged a device that did not infringe on their IP rights by design and only contain a chip that would be near impossible to know it was fake, and just because it might be seen as morally or even if it was legally ok, it still leaves them liable, just like in the case of the talk about VAG CS.

how many parts in you tv will be fake? would it be ok to rip the parts out that was fake leaving the rest unable to work? No, the original maker has no right to, and also copyright law has some leeway hence you can wear fake clothes without them being able to take them off you, but you can not sell them.

Why is it Microsoft dont delete windows straight away or word when they detect a fake? it would deffo increase their sales if they did as people would get feed up reinstalling.


I'm sure its ok - just use old drivers as viv is about to provide.


Out of interest chip cloning is a big problem. But high-street manufacturers like Samsung wouldn't used cloned chips.

Biggest problem is you don't know quality. Can see your view tho - afterall AVDI isn't legit if you asked Volkswagen. To me it then comes down to quality and who actually develops the aftermarket software.

I want them to invest in the future so thats a good reason to stick with genuine(ish) kit.
Not worth arguing about tho :)

[viw9419]

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