Need Information Abrites full package cost.

[super jumbe]

Lads I have been reading our forum and also googled for the best prize of Abrites full package and I have come to dead end, I want to know the cheapest full package original Abrites will cost?

[54321]

Around ?35k new. The cheapest i've found a second hand full is ?15k.

[whiskeyman]

35 grand
shit load of work get that back
take your 35 grand and invest in property:chuncky:

[estate]

At this point in the game only a fool would invest these sorts of money..... AVDI, AD100, SILCA cut to code machines etc are for the deluded i think........ but apparently you aren't a pro without all this kit....... I think differently..... I think anyone with kit like this can wave their willies and call themselves professionals, but the one thing they clearly aren't is a businessman.... With kit like this you will be a very busy fool........

[paul_12345]

At this point in the game only a fool would invest these sorts of money..... AVDI, AD100, SILCA cut to code machines etc are for the deluded i think........ but apparently you aren't a pro without all this kit....... I think differently..... I think anyone with kit like this can wave their willies and call themselves professionals, but the one thing they clearly aren't is a businessman.... With kit like this you will be a very busy fool........

avdi full you've got a point, but this is garage..locksmith forum and without cut to code and a few decent tools you can't be much of a locksmith.... will be back in a few hours customer I need to get your key cut

[totalkey]

If somebody want I sell my full avdi for 20 k

[obdsystems]

Just buy the avdi key coding modules. No where near ?35K. If that's your aim -
Abrites Ltd. (http://abrites.com/)

But I wouldn't buy all the modules anyway - VAG, GM, Cit/Peug great.


estate
your speaking as somebody who hasn't invested in much kit. You can do some, but not every job.
Spending thousands in my case was worth it - BUT 9 out of 10 business fail and being a businessmen expect many aren't as u said

I wouldn't (shouldn't!) pass judgment on calling you, or anyone professional or not -
as you said many in your area don't touch eeproming work and you do -

However, there are alot of people on the forum just with the odd cloned kit. They do it for beer money

[rapidlocksmiths]

At this point in the game only a fool would invest these sorts of money..... AVDI, AD100, SILCA cut to code machines etc are for the deluded i think........ but apparently you aren't a pro without all this kit....... I think differently..... I think anyone with kit like this can wave their willies and call themselves professionals, but the one thing they clearly aren't is a businessman.... With kit like this you will be a very busy fool........

Wow , i must be a fool and clearly not a businessman as i have all this kit you mention and more , but in my case all has paid for itself and some and all is still making me a decent living including avdi , if owning this kit and having got payback and a living from it makes me a bad businessman , then i can live with that and long may it continue as im happy being a comfortable failure.

having all the best kit or having very little kit doesnt make you a businessman just as having all the kit does not make you a locksmith , the trades full of people with all the kit and no idea just as its full of price cutters and beer money boys .

As with any business , kit is useless without knowledge , knowledge although not useless is held back if not having adequate kit , all is held back if no business plan and no idea on how to make it pay , too class someone as a bad businessman or a good businessman just by the kit they use is a very innacurate bench mark as the person not the kit makes a success or failure of a business , but a lack of knowledge and lack of investment and lack of business accumen will make it an uphill struggle for anyone .

Though i do agree that a new start without adequate knowledge or those dabbling in car keys , the beer money brigade and those without an adequate plan will struggle to make a living and get any sort of payback on investing in such kit , 10 years ago maybe , but today the market is different and id hate to be a new start today .

[automocion]

Abrites right now full with all new options cost 25k € with posibility of aditional discount, but think price will go down, because new clones and also some other alternatives are out in the market.

[super jumbe]

25k not my budget by any means, the way I look at it every year new cars come out and we have to spend more money to connect to newer vehicles that way we are not going to get our money back, this is like Russian roulette lose, lose option only, I will save my money for my retirement.

[u.s]

It might be ?35k now but I think many people took the offer abrites had a couple of years ago for ?10k

[paul_12345]

maybe its time for abritus to copy fly for once and offer yearly subscription, eg buy the interface then 12 months full use for 2k or something

[viw9419]

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[estate]

Wow , i must be a fool and clearly not a businessman as i have all this kit you mention and more , but in my case all has paid for itself and some and all is still making me a decent living including avdi , if owning this kit and having got payback and a living from it makes me a bad businessman , then i can live with that and long may it continue as im happy being a comfortable failure.

having all the best kit or having very little kit doesnt make you a businessman just as having all the kit does not make you a locksmith , the trades full of people with all the kit and no idea just as its full of price cutters and beer money boys .

As with any business , kit is useless without knowledge , knowledge although not useless is held back if not having adequate kit , all is held back if no business plan and no idea on how to make it pay , too class someone as a bad businessman or a good businessman just by the kit they use is a very innacurate bench mark as the person not the kit makes a success or failure of a business , but a lack of knowledge and lack of investment and lack of business accumen will make it an uphill struggle for anyone .

Though i do agree that a new start without adequate knowledge or those dabbling in car keys , the beer money brigade and those without an adequate plan will struggle to make a living and get any sort of payback on investing in such kit , 10 years ago maybe , but today the market is different and id hate to be a new start today .
You're taking my comment totally out of context, I said at this point in the game.......... AVDI is no longer the magical tool it once was and my point was that buying the full kit now would be pointless, there aren't many large pay days to had because of it. Also a lot of the tools that many of you " pro's " have would be pointless buying at this point in the game, again, the big pay days are gone where you can get a decent return on your investment due to the beer money brigade ( I only use clone tools and make no excuses for it because i don't due do any " work " for anyone except myself, so don't class myself as part of that brigade ). There are many many very capable " pro's " on here who i expect are earning very well out of clone tools and on the other hand there are the fools that worship at the alter of Hickleys and AD and don't have a clue and only pay the premium on the equipment they supply purely for the tech support to enable them to get by on an hourly basis, i know of quite a few " pro's " that if they can't get the codes from dealers etc and their token based MVP Pro can't do it, then they don't want to know. Although the cost of things have tumbled in the last few years, it is still a very costly game to get into and anyone starting up now, i doubt will see the big money jobs of days gone by, days that have enabled the time served pro's to be able to invest in such equipment. If you have ?100k to " invest " in a " business " i don't think auto locksmith work in 2015 is the golden goose. I have said many many times, I have nothing but respect for those who have invested as such, but I still think you have to " want " to do it as there are cheaper ways to earn a better living. Mentioning figures of 10k for this, 30k for that and getting a " return " on your investment sounds very nice, but i'm talking about real returns, not just breaking even and a decent wage.

[estate]

Just buy the avdi key coding modules. No where near ?35K. If that's your aim -
Abrites Ltd. (http://abrites.com/)

But I wouldn't buy all the modules anyway - VAG, GM, Cit/Peug great.


estate
your speaking as somebody who hasn't invested in much kit. You can do some, but not every job.
Spending thousands in my case was worth it - BUT 9 out of 10 business fail and being a businessmen expect many aren't as u said

I wouldn't (shouldn't!) pass judgment on calling you, or anyone professional or not -
as you said many in your area don't touch eeproming work and you do -

However, there are alot of people on the forum just with the odd cloned kit. They do it for beer money

oh christ Steve, as i've said on here many times, I am not and never will be ( or even want to be ) close to be being able to do much full stop, i can do what i need to and nothing more, I've said to you many times, i won't tread on the toes of local people trying to make a living out of it, infact i try where possible to use local guys instead of doing it myself, and only do the things that they can't should the need arise, it's very much a case of I do what i know i can do and i do very little else, hence why i haven't even bothered buying a key machine...... I'd rather get someone local to do it and contribute to their running costs. In my field or chosen "profession" i am very much a " pro ", 20 years in the business and doing very nicely etc, but could always do better ;), but there is always someone bigger and better and I see it a lot on here where people are very quick to question the fact that someone is a pro or not down to the origin of their kit and I think that is sad. I think sometimes that we forget why come here to DK.......

[rapidlocksmiths]

i both agree and disagree , i agree that for many kit such as avdi will be hard to recoup and turn a profit on , but avdi is still way ahead of its competitors , its the jobs it can do that others cant that still command proper rates , so as long as you have the knowledge to do these jobs and can get these jobs in , avdi can still offer a good payback and profit .
I feel for the guy relying on just the bread and butter jobs that everyday kits can do , as its these that prices are tumbling on .

AD100pro and mvp pro were once the front runners , but now avdi have this spot followed by zedfull at present , and no doubt something else will come along and take pole position in future , its an ever changing market, who knows who will be in pole in 5 years time , im sure it wont be the current crop of kit .

i also agree that the trade is full of codesmiths and new starts without a clue , sold a dream by the training outfits , with kit available on lease and finance and if the menu and computer say no then they walk away .

clones are not a new thing and have been around for as long as i can remember , most who are considered as pro have more than one clone on van or have had at some point , any who says not is probably telling porkies , i know plenty who funded their avdi from success and payback from the old VVDI unit , many used this clone to earn enough to buy original .

each to their own , and like you if i had 100k lump sum now id invest elsewhere , or i may just buy more stock , kit and new shiny things , or maybe a philipino housekeeper .

[estate]

Anyway my mini zedbull is bollocksed so i'm never doing keys again. A new one is ?30.

[sparkz02]

I've been building my locksmith kit over the last 2 years, only within the last year I've started to take it more serious (I run it alongside my other business). To be honest I understand both parts.

Either way if your buying clones or orginial your still spending big money, I know I have and I'm no way near close to the kit of some of you. But you need a good cut to code, something you can depend on, ?3000-4000 All the 50 odd different lishi picks even @ china prices ?2000 give or take, add ?3000-5000 for a reasonable amount of stock, your still @ 10k and you don't even have programmers, the clone route is still going to cost quite a bit.

I still have a lot of learning to do and still get stuck on loads of stuff, but I don't believe its down to kit, if your mega busy then yeah you need AVDI makes life quicker, but there is always an alternative, Lets go with the most important package with AVDI. VAG. I may not be able to do a Cayenne lost keys obd using (not sure if vvdi does them) but I can do it with tango, etc. etc. The gap is very closed carprog can do VAG's VVDI can do some, SMOK is good on most,

Regarding pug/citroen not sure why I'd want to spend ?1000 on a package when the code services I use is very good and ?15 a code, going to take 70 jobs just for me to spend more money on codes then buying the package.... also AVDI only does CAN protocol pins... I do loads of older 206.

etc etc. Do I think AVDI will run the show again, yes I think so in 2/3 years time.

Do I regret not buying AVDI under promotion at the time for 10k? YES because I've spend that if not more in a mix of clone/original tools over the time.

Have I made my money back? YES Has it been worth my headache? Not yet...

If you have a vision of how it should be done stick to, people do it different ways around and it seems to work.

[rapidlocksmiths]

just a heads up on avdi psa software , avdi does pull pin codes on some non can models too including 206 models 2002 onwards and saxo models as well as citroen C3 that are 1.4 HDI models

it also pulls pins on non can models , 206 2002 onwards , 306 , 307 , 406 , partner , ranch , citroen C5 , Xsara , xsara picasso , berlingo , xantia models that are 2.0 HDI models

adding this to the can pin read coverage , it can become a huge code cost saving dependent on volume of psa jobs you see and get , 60 to 70 vehicles and its paid its way on pin read alone .

Tools like avdi are worth having if you can make them pay , no tool is worth having if you cant make it pay its way .

with avdi being modular you can buy a little at a time and build your arsenal as budget dictates .

many manufacturers both new and existing will catch up and a host of other cheaper options will exist , the key as in any business is achieving payback and profit before this happens , then keep up to date to maintain any advantages you can gain .

i agree theres plenty of ways to skin a cat , and each to their own , whats important is getting the job done to a high standard and putting food on the table .

[obdsystems]

oh christ Steve, as i've said on here many times, I am not and never will be ( or even want to be ) close to be being able to do much full stop, i can do what i need to and nothing more, I've said to you many times, i won't tread on the toes of local people trying to make a living out of it, infact i try where possible to use local guys instead of doing it myself, and only do the things that they can't should the need arise, it's very much a case of I do what i know i can do and i do very little else, hence why i haven't even bothered buying a key machine...... I'd rather get someone local to do it and contribute to their running costs. In my field or chosen "profession" i am very much a " pro ", 20 years in the business and doing very nicely etc, but could always do better ;), but there is always someone bigger and better and I see it a lot on here where people are very quick to question the fact that someone is a pro or not down to the origin of their kit and I think that is sad. I think sometimes that we forget why come here to DK.......

yeah in past i use to have a moan - probably cos was a bad day lol

your a clever guy - I'd call u a professional at eeproming :)

AVDI VAG was for me worth the 3.5K investment.
BMW was not cos CAS3+ didn't work - other modules great, but not all


If another guy started up here (say in-between me & u) I think he'd go bust

Just too many auto-lockies mate - too many to make any investment pay for a startup.

[sparkz02]

The big issue I have is keys/stock not tools, so many cars I want to do finding the tools to do the job = easy. Finding the keys that's another story.

[totalkey]

The big issue I have is keys/stock not tools, so many cars I want to do finding the tools to do the job = easy. Finding the keys that's another story.
That why I love so much the keydiy

[obdsystems]

alot of keys still tough to obtain

3d have alot of gaps

[totalkey]

alot of keys still tough to obtain

3d have alot of gaps
Like what?

[obdsystems]

Latest Clio flip fob -china only
Alot of smart fobs awaiting stock

pm mate your sources :) :0

[estate]

tbh i'm getting closer to actually wanting to buy genuine tools, but my issue is, i control what vehicles i buy so therefore find myself only buying what cars " i can do ", i don't really test myself...... the price for the vag package doesn't seem that bad, nor does the price of tango tbh, in principal in would like to support a DK member first, so would love effi prog to be available soon and be all singing and dancing, but it's getting to the point that i can't wait :(. My purchases for 2015 i would like to be AVDI VAG, Tango, TrueCode, Genuine MVP Pro & a Condor, looking at that lot tbh is quite a few quid i suppose, but these clones are starting to hold me back due to lack of support.......

[viw9419]

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[estate]

a price i'm willing to pay at the moment, realising very quickly that i can't base my workload on a ?30 zed mini............

[ninja123]

Ive lost count of the ???'s & $$$'s that ive spent, but I work everything that I buy, even the worst tools I have purchased have all paid for themselves and much much more.

Also, my assumption of being a 'pro' (short for professional) means that you earn money from your chosen 'profession', regardless of how good you are or how much you spend on tools, be it clone or original.

A local garage has just got a FVDI, they called me today to do a lost transponder on a astra G, they had managed to pull pincode with there clone kit, they even got a new transponder from the dealers, but still didnt know how to finish the job - I charged them ?50 for 30 seconds work, I think that makes me a pro :)

ninja

ps - martin, hows your new van? I need a new one very soon as mine is just about shagged.

[yusef]

Bought Avdi VAG and BMW packages couple of years ago. Having used many different equipment previously, i can say with hands on my heart, that its the best, whether your just extracting pin codes on vag or programming in dash keys in bmw . Its a breeze

I was so impressed that wanted to own the full kit, which i now do

Hence my vag and bmw kit is surplus to requirement, last updated Nov 2014, anybody interested please message me

Yusuf

[p1et]

A local garage has just got a FVDI, they called me today to do a lost transponder on a astra G, they had managed to pull pincode with there clone kit, they even got a new transponder from the dealers, but still didnt know how to finish the job


:congrats:

[rapidlocksmiths]

Ive lost count of the ???'s & $$$'s that ive spent, but I work everything that I buy, even the worst tools I have purchased have all paid for themselves and much much more.

Also, my assumption of being a 'pro' (short for professional) means that you earn money from your chosen 'profession', regardless of how good you are or how much you spend on tools, be it clone or original.

A local garage has just got a FVDI, they called me today to do a lost transponder on a astra G, they had managed to pull pincode with there clone kit, they even got a new transponder from the dealers, but still didnt know how to finish the job - I charged them ?50 for 30 seconds work, I think that makes me a pro :)

ninja

ps - martin, hows your new van? I need a new one very soon as mine is just about shagged.

im loving the new shape vivaro mate , lovely drive , ive even got used to the start stop technology , very smooth drive and economical to run , so far cant fault it

[obdsystems]

starter motors cause problems even without the start-stop.
wonder if the manufacturers upgraded the starter motors. so not convinced will be economical once few years old

anyway voice of doom :)

p1let:
keep the secrets!! the buggers :D:elefant: charge flat rate mate

[obdsystems]

estate
You've changed your tune??
You were saying we were all daft to spend so much lol

All that kit will cost you!!

[estate]

not my tune, just a few words of the song ;)

[obdsystems]

not my tune, just a few words of the song ;)

estate

We should pass jobs on to each other mate - I'm 10-20 miles east of you.
Personally I'm a country bumkin - hate city traffic lol

EDIT:
But only if u buy original AVDI n Tango - I'm not gonna pass a job on which f**ks the car lol
looks bad on me then

[purdy]

Interesting stuff. I have a different business model to the full time auto locksmiths. I'm a small garage fairly well kitted up . general working on cars 5 years plus. With a combination of genuine and clone stuff. Upa and effi and a back ground in electronics. Can do EPROMs as well. Access to key codes and immo codes available at a reasonable cost. And a great relationship with local house hold locksmith programming keys they can't clone in shop.I can provide a fairly comprehensive key service. And I haven't spent 25k on one bit of kit I'm never going to get a return from. Doing one or two keys a week. My interest in keys is. Is not to become a auto lock smith. But to provide a key service to my existing customers and offer something over and above the local garages. Lock smithing is a highly skilled. I would hate to be a start up auto locksmith with the level of investment required. If I had a 100k to spend it would be on a class 7 drive through a atl test lane. Doing 10 to 15 mots per day @ ?45 each. You do the maths. I think location counts as well and rural Norfolk is not the place for that stress purchase we haven't got a motorway let alone a big airport . So the big money key jobs aren't there. Keys are a profitable addition to my business. And for me it's the intellectual challenge and I never get bored when the car starts after you've fiddled with a eprom. It beats fitting brakes pads. Next on the shopping list it truecode. But I might have to invest in some big boy toys soon avid, smok AD mpv, or zed full can't make my mind up. That's my little rant over.



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[obdsystems]

Interesting purdy - glad u don't live by me tho lol I'd lose work.

Did an ECU swap today - read immo TMS370 ok for pin but would my expensive AVDI talk long enough to the immo - nop.
So swapped parts over - its useful to have the kit to do soldering work.

For me most of the costs were 1) Key cutting kit and 2) VAG coding kit
But easy add few more thousands.

Def recommend to you the VAG AVDI as you can repair dashes as well. Worth the dosh

[purdy]

Looking hard at avid. Might have to lift the mattress up.


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[super jumbe]

Rumours from horse’s mouth new tool better then avid going on market from April 15 I can not wait….http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/hmmmm2.gif http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/hmmmm2.gif

[teerak2uk]

Rumours from horse?s mouth new tool better then avid going on market from April 15 I can not wait?.http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/hmmmm2.gif http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/hmmmm2.gif
And that is?

[obdsystems]

Differcult for a (good) new tool to suddenly appear.

The level of work/investment involved now is huge to cover latest VAG and Ford. Would say actually its going the other way where only down to AD and Abritus. Maybe some others but not many

If the clone muppets like Fly with TM100 would invest time developing rather than just cloning - and there followers on this forum,
we may see new tools, but we wont :)

[overs0ull]

Better from avdi , that sound interesting .
Need more info about that tool .

[techterr]

maybe its time for abritus to copy fly for once and offer yearly subscription, eg buy the interface then 12 months full use for 2k or something
Have you looked at the Arbritus website lately??? They have a yearly service plan.. In fact when you buy a new unit in the US, it is almost mandatory to buy the yearly plan to do the online services...

http://www.abritesusa.com/store/c16/AMS.html

Take care,
Tim

[totalkey]

Have you looked at the Arbritus website lately??? They have a yearly service plan.. In fact when you buy a new unit in the US, it is almost mandatory to buy the yearly plan to do the online services...

http://www.abritesusa.com/store/c16/AMS.html

Take care,
Tim
First year free

[obdsystems]

Have you looked at the Arbritus website lately??? They have a yearly service plan.. In fact when you buy a new unit in the US, it is almost mandatory to buy the yearly plan to do the online services...

http://www.abritesusa.com/store/c16/AMS.html

Take care,
Tim


If you can't afford that, then your in the wrong game -

As for better tools - don't be daft - "Repeat Myself" that nothing new is going to appear.

Know any company with millions to spend on development and then only find its cloned ??? :roflmao::roflmao:

[autofan1965]

Differcult for a (good) new tool to suddenly appear.

The level of work/investment involved now is huge to cover latest VAG and Ford. Would say actually its going the other way where only down to AD and Abritus. Maybe some others but not many

If the clone muppets like Fly with TM100 would invest time developing rather than just cloning - and there followers on this forum,
we may see new tools, but we wont :)


My friend huge part of avdi function is stealed from another equipment. VVDI at this point trade customer much better as abritus:)

[obdsystems]

My friend huge part of avdi function is stealed from another equipment. VVDI at this point trade customer much better as abritus:)


Sure they steel from each other - but VVDI is a blatant rip-off for all u clone lads on this forum

[autofan1965]

Sure they steel from each other - but VVDI is a blatant rip-off for all u clone lads on this forum

Have you used ever VVDI? I have try really much diffrent tools and it is good. Maybe you mix vvdi with fvdi.

[whiskeyman]

got to agree
vvdi powerful tool
not all based on avdi

[sparkz02]

vvdi is good.