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gokart
22nd January, 2016, 03:22 PM
Hello,

What type of key cutting machines would you recommend for only cutting car keys?
I'm interested in manual and cut to code machines too. I suppose it's better to start with manual machines, later extending the service with cut to code machines.

I expect only low volume in the first year 5-10 pcs/week.
I'm interested in only new machines.
I'm looking for the optimal point between the quality and price.
We don't need to talk here about the immobiliser systems.

p1et
22nd January, 2016, 03:42 PM
For manual cutting I recommend Silca Matrix. You will be 100% satisfied. For cut to code machine, Condor is optimal choice when consider quality/price.

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/390097-Condor-XC007-Who-s-got-one?highlight=condor
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/472624-XC-MINI-CONDOR?highlight=condor

rapidlocksmiths
22nd January, 2016, 04:27 PM
depends if you want a machine for life or a machine for now .

cut to code machines for life then it has to be silca or keyline as updated free for life and robust so last a lifetime , my viper has cut over 20.000 keys and still as good as new and my ninja laser is earning its corn too.

cut to code machines to last a long while but not a lifetime then miracle A6 , i have one of these too and is a reliable little machine.

the price tag may well be higher than on chinese machines , but these will always be ahead of rest up to date and last a lifetime in the case of silca and keyline .

i have a condor as well , i use it in workshop , its ok but not a patch on above 3 if looking for a long term investment machine , but if looking for a machine for now then condor is a decent machine at a low price in comparison to the above machines.

i know you say you are only interested in new , but plenty of silca viper and keyline 994 available on 2nd hand market and still great machines 2nd hand . downside is that they hold their value even 2nd hand , which is what makes them such a good long term investment .

keyprogramming
22nd January, 2016, 07:55 PM
I have a Silca Matrix for manual work, and a Keyline Bianchi 994 for cut to code.
The 994 (kept in workshop) has cut between 8,000-10,000 in the past 4 years and has been faultless.
Keyline are a bit slow with upgrading new key profiles that appear in Instacode as being available, but are not on the machine.
The 994 is not going to give you a hernia everytime you move it from your van to your house, but it is solidly built.

autochei
22nd January, 2016, 07:56 PM
what do u think about x6?

paul_12345
22nd January, 2016, 09:01 PM
can't go wrong with a manual cutter, then only really need a cut to code on lost key jobs... then you dont want a crappy cheap clone that will let you down and maybe loose you a profitable lost key job.

or at least leave you spending hours checking your decode recutting and maybe stripping locks just to find out its the rubbish cut to code machine cutting the key wrong.

whiskeyman
22nd January, 2016, 10:15 PM
agreed
buy cheap pay dear

camelgd
22nd January, 2016, 10:42 PM
My two cents worth, learn how to cut keys. Most miscuts are operator error. Learn how to check and make adjustments to your machines. Get a very good micrometer and learn how to use it. :burnout: The best key cutters are just a step short of machinists.

lock217
22nd January, 2016, 11:16 PM
i got the ninja laser love it!

Fallen
23rd January, 2016, 01:00 AM
I have a miracle A9 and it's a trooper.
It gets a hammering every day and it just keeps going and going.
Would buy another one in a heartbeat.

gokart
23rd January, 2016, 02:07 AM
The other part of my question was about the manual key cutting machines for cylinder and laser car keys. Do you have any suggestion?

Otherwise, can you fully substitute the manual machines with cut to code machines (of course which has decoding function too)?

kemaster
23rd January, 2016, 11:13 AM
Manual key cutting machine for cylinder keys- Keyline Carat Quatro(or other Keyline models). Also JMA Vienna

lpf01
23rd January, 2016, 02:11 PM
Try the An-San Panther, its a beast.
I use it over a half year, and the best is i dont need different clamps for hu-66, hu-64 and so on..... it can clamp anything.

rapidlocksmiths
23rd January, 2016, 05:01 PM
the one manual machine i always advise someone to buy is a stand alone Tibbe machine that cuts both 6 and 8 cut to code , i have a silca delta FO thats cut thousands of keys perfectly and never missed a beat , i also have a keyline falcon that cuts perfect keys too . most tibbe machines are good and a manual tibbe machine is a good buy as ive yet to find the clamp for code machines that cuts an acceptable key reliably .

paul_12345
23rd January, 2016, 05:05 PM
the one manual machine i always advise someone to buy is a stand alone Tibbe machine that cuts both 6 and 8 cut to code , i have a silca delta FO thats cut thousands of keys perfectly and never missed a beat , i also have a keyline falcon that cuts perfect keys too . most tibbe machines are good and a manual tibbe machine is a good buy as ive yet to find the clamp for code machines that cuts an acceptable key reliably .

Condor xc-007 now cuts a nice 6 cut tibbe with a 1.5mm cutter now they have implemented the 2 pass cut... Looks better than some of the stand alone tibbe machines imo, albeit a bit slow.

camelgd
23rd January, 2016, 07:53 PM
the one manual machine i always advise someone to buy is a stand alone Tibbe machine that cuts both 6 and 8 cut to code , i have a silca delta FO thats cut thousands of keys perfectly and never missed a beat , i also have a keyline falcon that cuts perfect keys too . most tibbe machines are good and a manual tibbe machine is a good buy as ive yet to find the clamp for code machines that cuts an acceptable key reliably .
Part of the problem is the neck of the aftermarket keys ,blanks are not consistent in measurement. The blades are fine but a lot of machines clamp at the neck like HPC.

Automat
24th January, 2016, 04:49 PM
Good point Camel, A standard blade machine, with slots in the jaws, for tip stop chucking is a plus. The Silca machines are good like that.

Moneytree
31st January, 2016, 04:47 PM
I have the miricale A6 great for laser keys, but find the manual tibe machine great as well.
i have broke 2 decoders but put that done to poor alignment by myself ��

madzar
31st January, 2016, 10:32 PM
I have X6 for almost two years,I use it two or three times a day and it never failed.It is 100% acurate but I dont recomend it for all day key cutting.