Lock pick tool

[lush29]

Hi all, i want your advice on lishi or turbo decoder tools. They are so many selling them now i dont know what to choose. I am looking for something to pick/decode good quality and good supplier. Thanks

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[Faraday]

I use LISHI's 2in1 very good tool

[lpf01]

+1 for the Lishi, never failed for me :)

Turbo decoder is something like a collectible sweet candy for me, perfect tool to make "jobs what need to being fast", but in a locksmith case time does not matter and from it's price you can get 10 lishi....

And just one more thing: Lishi have some picks what can not just push but pull back the levers, its very helpful if a spring just broke inside and the wafer falls down or you push it over and dirt keep it there.

[camelgd]

+1 for the Lishi, never failed for me :)

Turbo decoder is something like a collectible sweet candy for me, perfect tool to make "jobs what need to being fast", but in a locksmith case time does not matter and from it's price you can get 10 lishi....

And just one more thing: Lishi have some picks what can not just push but pull back the levers, its very helpful if a spring just broke inside and the wafer falls down or you push it over and dirt keep it there.

Or gummed up with grease so hard it would take forever to free the tumblers completely with lube. Hu100 seems to be the worst around here for me, but that trick of pushing back with lever when spring won't do it is something I use from time to time. I have not seen that in any literature.

[kemaster]

Had 2 cases on broken Turbodecoeders in locks(not by me :)). Take a look. Took me almost 5 hours for extraction. But I can only imagine the bitter taste, Decoder owners have felt.

[westlock]

most lishi work well and some don't, you will always have to be prepared to strip locks or ignition or buy codes from dealers or key code suppliers.
The most useful lishi I have is the hu66 decoder. this will get a direct read from the ignition.

[autoTkey]

Had 2 cases on broken Turbodecoeders in locks(not by me :)). Take a look. Took me almost 5 hours for extraction. But I can only imagine the bitter taste, Decoder owners have felt.

This should happen only if you don't know how to use the Turbodecoder. You must never force it and you must always follow the steps for inserting and extracting. It also works only on original locks...

[kemaster]

This should happen only if you don't know how to use the Turbodecoder. You must never force it and you must always follow the steps for inserting and extracting. It also works only on original locks...

Colegues that broke these decoders are enough experienced, believe me. Sometimes there are circs that can't be avoided

[autoTkey]

When I look at the photo you posted it is hard to believe they are experienced.... I've broken it a few times, too and it has always been because of me.

[matt224200]

get real lishis not knock off some them dont work right i would by toubro decoders if there were not so much i have used them like them more than lishi but lishi is better in the long run on your pocket and saving you form having to run an keycode

[kemaster]

:). They broke the whole part inside but it was so stuck there was no other way to pull it out but in fragments only

[Recoder]

Agree with the +1 for lishi.

Have seen 4 broken Turbo type HU101 tools in locks by different users too also decodes seem a little out .

Lishi is the way to go cheap enough and great range .

[ucokseparoh]

If it was me i'd go for Lishi. Turbo Decoder is nice.. but why would spent 10x times bigger if the cheaper one can do the same job effectively as the one that cost more? If the purpose is to make a living,Lishi is sufficient. If you're looking for a collectible items..then go for Turbo.

[javyb]

Where is best place to buy genuine lishi from

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[PremierD]

I was sent this link mate ......:) http://tradelocks.co.uk/genuine-lishi/genuine-lishi-tibbe-pick-decoders.html

[ucokseparoh]

bought mine at autoelecs.com. but there are many places to buy them.

[norman1967]

Hello all

I am considering buying a hu101 turbo decoder

I am confused as to whom sells the "better" quality tool here lucky locks claim to be the original while prodecoder states the same.

Lucky locks website has no way to actually order online

Prodecoder does and accepts PayPal

Has anybody any real experience with these company's?

[autoTkey]

As far as I know Lucky are the original. Did you try to order from their online store - https://www.autodecoders.com/ ?
But I doubt there's much difference in the quality because both companies started as one at the beginning.
Important thing is support is at very very high level with Lucky. That's my experience.

[norman1967]

Thanks for reply. Have you any experience hands on with the tool? Thanks

[autoTkey]

Sure, what you need to know? It works good but is quite sensitive and you need to be very careful when handling it because it can break easily when you're not careful. Also you need to know it can work only on original locks and its best to use it after you practice some time on the bench inside in the comfy chair before going on an actual job.

[whiskeyman]

learn how to use lishi
more reliable
and fraction of the cost

[norman1967]

Hello whiskyman. Yeah I have lishi problem I find is really easy to get to lock position but not so easy to go to unlock position I had a fight with one 3 days ago took me far to long to mention in public!!!! So now thinking this turbo decoder.

Auto key thanks for the advice pretty much sums all I wanted to know really just need to decide if i want to spend so much out right now

Cheers lads

[rob h]

That is a lott of money, for a single tool.
How is the opening rate on these turbodecoders?
And do they need some calibration, after a sertain time of use?

I see that many struggle with the lishi decoders. Each lock is a bitt different.
Some need more, or less turning pressure, or a different pick order.
The feeling that you need to recognise, when the shim is underlocked, overlocked, loose or correct alligned.
The strenght you apply, on the lever. And learn how to give it the minimum amount of movement to the shim, so you not overlock.

You can detect dirt, rust, broken springs, bend shims, claugtgrease, better with the lishi. Not with the turbodecoder.
So poking and probing it first with a lishi may preserve the expensive turbodecoder,

[Bmkeys]

Hello whiskyman. Yeah I have lishi problem I find is really easy to get to lock position but not so easy to go to unlock position I had a fight with one 3 days ago took me far to long to mention in public!!!! So now thinking this turbo decoder.

Auto key thanks for the advice pretty much sums all I wanted to know really just need to decide if u want to spend so much out right now

Cheers lads
Once you have picked it to the lock position, use a plug spinner to get it unlocked.

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[norman1967]

Please expand on plug spinner. How what we're when why :)

[rob h]

Picking the lock, in the closing direction, is sometimes easier then in the opening direction.
Once the shims are picked, a springloaded tool can turn the cilinder faster then the shim can move back in to there locking posistions. That is what Bmkeys means.

Decoding it in the locking position is a good option. And cut a key from that data.

Or start picking it again in the opening direction, with the known cut heights to guide your picking positions.



google plug spinner

[Klimek]

old car maly joe,new car lishi, joke but not quite

[autoTkey]

...
You can detect dirt, rust, broken springs, bend shims, claugtgrease, better with the lishi. Not with the turbodecoder.
So poking and probing it first with a lishi may preserve the expensive turbodecoder,

It's not that hard to spray some WD40 inside the lock and use the tester key to check if lock is in good working condition and to move the pins that no one ever used because they have a remote.
If you don't force it and "listen" to it while working you probably will never need to fix your turbo. This tool does not require calibration - it is not how it's made. Some pin may be defective and start to move freely, but they will usually change this under warranty.

Turbo can decode faster, but you need a lot of practice to learn to feel it. It is not some automatic senseless tool. Working with it is not much different than with lishi. But it can be faster and much easier to use. Much easier to decode the key positions too.

[kemaster]

The best ever source for how to use Lishi is made by Martin Pink. Look at Tradelocks or 3D. When you read it all your questions will have their answers

[rob h]

Could someone share this manual.

The Genuine Lishi Training Kit with DVD - New 2015 upgrade.


Every quality specialised tool should come with a proper manual.
That would give first time users some needed guidence.
Some give up on lishi tool after many bad results.
Some even bend, twist , and break them.

Happy skilled user, will but more lishi,s.

[norman1967]

The best ever source for how to use Lishi is made by Martin Pink. Look at Tradelocks or 3D. When you read it all your questions will have their answers

Agreed pink has written some excellent guides

this is how i learnt what i know my problem is i get asked to do them so far in between you lose the "knack" So i thought the turbo decoder would be the answer, but from what i read that is just as fiddly to learn and 20x the price

[norman1967]

Bit the bullet today and ordered my hu101 turbo decoder.

Xmas gift 2 myself.

I will post back what results I have once arrives

[yusef]

Where did you order from and how much

[norman1967]

Full review will come. Seller. Quality. Cost. Result's.

[bigkey]

Good luck, I found picking HU101 is quite easy, but decoding is a big task (may be just ME) but many times I had to strip the lock to cut the key ... could be aged too...


Bit the bullet today and ordered my hu101 turbo decoder.

Xmas gift 2 myself.

I will post back what results I have once arrives

[paul_12345]

Agreed pink has written some excellent guides

this is how i learnt what i know my problem is i get asked to do them so far in between you lose the "knack" So i thought the turbo decoder would be the answer, but from what i read that is just as fiddly to learn and 20x the price

simple just buy a couple of different locks and practise now and again.

[paul_12345]

Good luck, I found picking HU101 is quite easy, but decoding is a big task (may be just ME) but many times I had to strip the lock to cut the key ... could be aged too...

hu101 is a easy decode, if you are having problems get a lock with a key or strip to decode... then practise picking and reading and compare each cut with the correct code to see where you are going wrong

[norman1967]

TURBO DECODER HU101 Review as promised

Tool arrived next day and without issues payment was made by western union. Lucky locks was my seller.

10 out of 10


Seller was fast to reply at first with any questions and support was there for first few days after arrival of tool. Seller provided me with a custom video with my personal tool being demostrated, However has failed to respond to last two Skype messages. 7/10

Ease of use for tool very easy to learn and operate. Success rate is exactly 60% v 40%

I have tested on 10 locks I cannot get tool to open 4. However the 6 that will open are consistant.

8/10
Decoding I cannot comment on as yet as I wanted to speak to seller about this aspect.

Overhaul it works on most I am thinking possibly the tool struggle's with locks with many no.5 cuts (just a theory)

It's expensive tool for its limitation's I found however I still like this tool and prefer it to lishi

But I bought it as a toy that I may get asked maybe 1 or twice a year to use. So for the everyday locksmith lishI may prove more consistent and successful

[norman1967]

So just to bounce back a few posts two members suggested a plug spinner

So as mentioned turbo is here. And I have been practising more with lishi. Getting the hang of it now. But again I am better picking to the lock position so I ordered a goso plug spinner from 3d group to be honest it seems mighty strong. I'm concerned it would damage the lock sure it gets it over to the unlock in no time and yes I've been playing with the tension positions. I'm wondering is there is a higher quality more gentle brand of plug spinner if so does anybody care to share.

10 test locks span with plug spinner. Takes some fIddiling to get back to neutral position using a key

I Will test on real cars (breakers) monday.

[instakeys]

Here's my genuine review... ProDecoder HU101

Tested on many cars, mostly fails.

Land Rover D3/4, Jaguar, Fiesta, Focus - doors only - 80% Fail. The picking wheel just turns back & forth endlessly, using varying tensions on all kinds of locks. Not picking open. (yes it is the right way up!)
ALL Ignitions and Bonnets 100% fail.
Can withdraw the tool from door lock once picked and use to open a bonnet. Not ignitions.
Ford Vans:
MK8 big Transits, seems to work door locks okay.
Custom van - most tested ok - but harder to get in lock, very crunchy to get the tool past all wafers and fully in. Needs jiggled painfully hard in most cases. Once finally in, the release wheel doesn't always like to slide back to enable picking.
1st ProDecoder got stuck in a Custom lock. Not able to pick into place, no way to remove lock and strip down with turning the plug, and removing from inside door card etc. That was end of that. Broken off and extracted bit by bit. Horrible job.
Ordered new one, ProDecoder again. ?630 again. New tool feels flimsy, once again very crunchy to get past wafers and fully in the lock. Once in, the release wheel again doesn't always like to slide back to enable picking.

Also, holding picked and withdrawing tool is not an option for those who suggested plug spinning. (EDIT: decoding while held picked by inserting Lishi) You need to push the release wheel forward to withdraw the tool. That can't be done when picked because the tumblers are in the depths of the tool preventing the sliding mechanism from moving because of tumblers being set in (picked position). You couldn't ever pull it out. Must be inline position to push release wheel forward and withdraw the tool safely.

These tools have never worked on an ignition. Ever. Picking the actual ignition itself, or decoding a door and locking the tool, then inserting in ignition.

I know what I'm doing with these, been picking HU101 for years with Lishi. Understand HU101's AND how turbo picks work etc.
Thought it be a luxury for doing HU101 lockouts quickly, as these are ones that can take a bit time as you know.

Messaged them about my new tool appearing flimsy, not sliding back once in etc - and about what cost of repairing the broken first tool...
Response: No mention of repairing original tool. Suggested I source MY OWN HU101 locks, send them some, along with my new flimsier tool, and they will 'test'

Not sure if i'm even going to bother...
Will continue to use when jobs come in and post my results here.

[rapidlocksmiths]

interesting to see how they will fair on the new 8 cut volvo and new 9 cut mondeo versions of hu101

[instakeys]

Picking the lock, in the closing direction, is sometimes easier then in the opening direction.
Once the shims are picked, a springloaded tool can turn the cilinder faster then the shim can move back in to there locking posistions. That is what Bmkeys means.

Decoding it in the locking position is a good option. And cut a key from that data.

Or start picking it again in the opening direction, with the known cut heights to guide your picking positions.



google plug spinner

Some situations I tend to pick to locked position with Lishi, read the code, then pick to the depths of the code the other way... Lock open.

[instakeys]

interesting to see how they will fair on the new 8 cut volvo and new 9 cut mondeo versions of hu101

Yeah, keyless new Ford have tumblers missing due to the blades being shorter. Makes the job abit easier with a Lishi I would reckon.

[norman1967]

Here's my genuine review... ProDecoder HU101

Tested on many cars, mostly fails.

Land Rover D3/4, Jaguar, Fiesta, Focus - doors only - 80% Fail. The picking wheel just turns back & forth endlessly, using varying tensions on all kinds of locks. Not picking open. (yes it is the right way up!)
ALL Ignitions and Bonnets 100% fail.
Can withdraw the tool from door lock once picked and use to open a bonnet. Not ignitions.
Ford Vans:
MK8 big Transits, seems to work door locks okay.
Custom van - most tested ok - but harder to get in lock, very crunchy to get the tool past all wafers and fully in. Needs jiggled painfully hard in most cases. Once finally in, the release wheel doesn't always like to slide back to enable picking.
1st ProDecoder got stuck in a Custom lock. Not able to pick into place, no way to remove lock and strip down with turning the plug, and removing from inside door card etc. That was end of that. Broken off and extracted bit by bit. Horrible job.
Ordered new one, ProDecoder again. €630 again. New tool feels flimsy, once again very crunchy to get past wafers and fully in the lock. Once in, the release wheel again doesn't always like to slide back to enable picking.

Also, holding picked and withdrawing tool is not an option for those who suggested plug spinning. (EDIT: decoding while held picked by inserting Lishi) You need to push the release wheel forward to withdraw the tool. That can't be done when picked because the tumblers are in the depths of the tool preventing the sliding mechanism from moving because of tumblers being set in (picked position). You couldn't ever pull it out. Must be inline position to push release wheel forward and withdraw the tool safely.

These tools have never worked on an ignition. Ever. Picking the actual ignition itself, or decoding a door and locking the tool, then inserting in ignition.

I know what I'm doing with these, been picking HU101 for years with Lishi. Understand HU101's AND how turbo picks work etc.
Thought it be a luxury for doing HU101 lockouts quickly, as these are ones that can take a bit time as you know.

Messaged them about my new tool appearing flimsy, not sliding back once in etc - and about what cost of repairing the broken first tool...
Response: No mention of repairing original tool. Suggested I source MY OWN HU101 locks, send them some, along with my new flimsier tool, and they will 'test'

Not sure if i'm even going to bother...
Will continue to use when jobs come in and post my results here.#

Thank you for your review I will be avoiding any connect van that come my way that is for sure, Your the third person i have heard of saying total destruction of tool, I have had my gate refuse to close twice this week both times was on same lock on bench fortunately jiggling got it out.

I have not tried on any bonnet locks however i do have a 2014 fiesta here that i picked with turbo and used on the ignition without issue, Only thing was the next day the battery was flat, Now we have had this car from new and this was the first time the battery had gone flat and it has not done so since! I am wondering if maybe when i extracted turbo it did not turn all the wafers to the off position and left the ignition live, Cannot say for sure as my other half got to the car with her keys before the issue was reported to me for the jump start! I will make a video and post it of the ignition being operated with my turbo.

Just want to clarify if this was referring to my post

"Also, holding picked and withdrawing tool is not an option for those who suggested plug spinning."

I was talking about using the lishi here hence the plug spinner, As we know the turbo cannot be extracted unless in the neutral position with the gate closed and wheel all the way to the left. I find the plug spinner may be to powerful and damage the lock so i think i will take member instakey tip and write down the picked to lock position and use them as a guide to go to the unlock position

As for the talk of the new 8 and 9 waffer locks this is news to me, I was told recently about two diffrent types of hu101 as in one that can be stripped down and the wafers removed and the other has to be drilled out! Can anybody shed any light on models and years the new 8/9 waffer locks are in?

Instakeys mentions keyless models, I have two here a 2012 focus i cannot get to pick with turbo i have not tried with lishi yet as its been too cold, and i have a 64 mondeo keyless here i can pick with turbo no issues.
Anybody know anything more?

[nazz2]

Few years back i bought the little Joe set from Zfix, expensive, but cant fault its hu58 rake and its plug spinner, it locks hu58 lock in seconds, then spin to unlock in no time, no broken lock so far!.

[instakeys]

Little Joe set looks good. Just had a look. Hows it work Nazz? Looks like rakes everything under tention, plug spinner does the rest. Good coverage for different locks. First time ive heard of it.

2016 Ford keyless have little stubby emergency keys Norman, 2012-2014 ford should be 10 bits in lock as usual for all 'metal T-shaped' normal pop out emergency keys.

[rob h]

Same as a good rake key.
The problem with the littlejoe is that it is a ridgid tool.
The lowest cut can get in the way.
The goso rakepick is flexible, and so gives way when it needs to.

A good rake key set is easy to make yourself!

[norman1967]

2016 Ford keyless have little stubby emergency keys Norman, 2012-2014 ford should be 10 bits in lock as usual for all 'metal T-shaped' normal pop out emergency keys.

Ahh yes i know them new smart keys for the new mondeo for instance i happen to have a pair of them.

Here is the emergency blade next to my Mondeo emergency T blade. To be honest i cannot yet read these keys or decode the lock from a pick, they look the same to me but as i say i cannot decode yet

Can you tell if its 9 cuts from the photo?

Anybody know of a good guide with pictures i could study?

[nazz2]

The only thing from the set that worked for me , was the hu58 rake, and the very nice tension tool and smooth rake, and the plug spinner is very good quality, and you can adjust it , i usually turn it 1 and 1/4 times, the rest of the kit , like hu66, or ford,volvo etc, never managed to make them work, since it doesnt go in smooth.

ps. they both are 10 cuts,(the top one looks like 9 cut, picture not very clear) instacode is your best friend.

[rob h]

That looks like a 10 cut to me!
Dont you have instacode?
That, and a caliper.

[norman1967]

yes have instacode and a caliper i shall get to it and see what i can learn thank you for that tip would it be possible to see a photo of how you use your caliper to measure the cuts, i realise its probbaly simple but if you have never seen it well.... :withstupid:

nazz2 here is clearer pictures of the late mondeo key blade

I have another 2016 mondeo blade i will post separate also for comparison

[rob h]

Quick guess 5353132312
Shoulder to tip

[norman1967]

Here is the second emergency key from again a 2015 on mondeo new style smart key

[norman1967]

Quick guess 5353132312
Shoulder to tip

Thanks for that rob h if you look at my picture now have i correctly identified the cut locations on the key?

[rob h]

Second blade, Not 100%
3534243132

The one line, on the tip, is a liitle of,
Butt you got it covered!

[nazz2]

Yes i get the same bitting, but i dont use caliper, if you cut yourself different blanks then cut to ie 12345(depending on depths), etc, you can then easily judge the depth, after a while you dont even use the test keys. very handy when you have broken keys, and you cant put the 2 halves in the cutting machine.

ps.i use to take out Hu101 lock to make a key, now i use lishi, then confirm by checking in IC, although once the decoded hu101 on a cmax wasnt found in IC, but the key worked.

[paul_12345]

yes have instacode and a caliper i shall get to it and see what i can learn thank you for that tip would it be possible to see a photo of how you use your caliper to measure the cuts,

look at the picture on instacode.... its pretty clear where and how to measure

[whiskeyman]

new mondeo key is 9 cuts
opened many

[rapidlocksmiths]

the 8 cut has only been seen on new volvo so far , already on instacode on card 1420 , slight space differences on this one to 10 cut , not enough to affect lishi but may be enough to throw out turbo tool .

2015 mondeo using just 9 cuts in door lock of smart models , again slight space differences , this one hasnt made instacode yet , same lock as the new fusions in the usa im told as some have hit this their too , unlike the 7 cut on kuga this time they have messed a little with the spacing and the key rules , it used to be that no cut would be more than 2 heights away from one next door , this has changed as the lock i was shown had 514 sat next to each other .

plenty of changes comming , already working on the 7 cut va6/va2 for Daf ( also on instacode already on card 1415) and the possible 8 cut va6/va2 with 1234Q5678H series on latest avensis models , a few others playing with their handle sets to prevent current tensioners hampering picking and deeper handle recesses on others , we have already had to alter the new vag tools for the new A4 due to recess issues , its a never ending game of catch up to keep up with manufacturers .

ive lost count how many of my own tools ive adapted or amended to keep working or to get around an issue

[norman1967]

look at the picture on instacode.... its pretty clear where and how to measure

I have instacode June 2014 in front of me now. Not sure about being straightforward lol.

I've manged to find the hu101 page. Is there a way for me to enter the bitting number (I have found the tab to enter bitting) from my decode and then get the software to show me an image of what the key should look like before I was to commit to cut? Just so I can see if I'm getting it right as I have a few test locks on the bench with keys to compare

P.'s I don't have a machine to cut im just wanting to learn for the fun of it.

[nazz2]

Go to task, then hit "show cut key".

[nazz2]

Go to task, then hit "show cut key".

ps. few years ago i bought myself a ford hu101 lock, then i dremmeled the top of the lock, then i saw what was happening to the wafers when picked with lishi, i put the image here if anyone wants it.the lock is fully operational.

[norman1967]

Go to task, then hit "show cut key".

ps. few years ago i bought myself a ford hu101 lock, then i dremmeled the top of the lock, then i saw what was happening to the wafers when picked with lishi, i put the image here if anyone wants it.the lock is fully operational.

Yes thanks works perfect I can play now and Learn.

Yes please post the dremmeled lock images

[paul_12345]

I have instacode June 2014 in front of me now. Not sure about being straightforward lol.

I've manged to find the hu101 page. Is there a way for me to enter the bitting number (I have found the tab to enter bitting) from my decode and then get the software to show me an image of what the key should look like before I was to commit to cut? Just so I can see if I'm getting it right as I have a few test locks on the bench with keys to compare

P.'s I don't have a machine to cut im just wanting to learn for the fun of it.

you dont need to enter any bitting...

you have a picture of the key with 10 cuts and ten measurements from the tip of the key....

next to it a side view with 5 measurements showing cut depth, and also shows you the width of the key.

[nazz2]

421634421635421636Pictures+key bitting as promised, as you can see from the picture ,8 visible wafers, if you look down, you should be able to see the2 remaining, and see what happenes.

[rob h]

the 8 cut has only been seen on new volvo so far , already on instacode on card 1420 , slight space differences on this one to 10 cut , not enough to affect lishi but may be enough to throw out turbo tool .

2015 mondeo using just 9 cuts in door lock of smart models , again slight space differences , this one hasnt made instacode yet , same lock as the new fusions in the usa im told as some have hit this their too , unlike the 7 cut on kuga this time they have messed a little with the spacing and the key rules , it used to be that no cut would be more than 2 heights away from one next door , this has changed as the lock i was shown had 514 sat next to each other .

plenty of changes comming , already working on the 7 cut va6/va2 for Daf ( also on instacode already on card 1415) and the possible 8 cut va6/va2 with 1234Q5678H series on latest avensis models , a few others playing with their handle sets to prevent current tensioners hampering picking and deeper handle recesses on others , we have already had to alter the new vag tools for the new A4 due to recess issues , its a never ending game of catch up to keep up with manufacturers .

ive lost count how many of my own tools ive adapted or amended to keep working or to get around an issue

421875
Hello Mr. Rapidlocksmiths,

I have a question about this 2016 yaris key.
Are the wafers always in this order?
Side A: 4567
Side B: 238
Cut 1, from looking at the key, looks to be on side:B.

Are the Waver always in the same direction ordered?
And are the pushing the same direction in the ignition lock?
Any info would be appreciated.
I need to cut a spare key.
Kind regards, Rob

421875

[rapidlocksmiths]

hi

theres no series released yet to know exactly what they are doing , and lock sets on this key are difficult to get hold of , i have 6 lock sets on order in a bid to try and work out the key rules and series info , the key image i was sent for the avensis was this key and the manufacturers key code was a mix of numbers 1 to 8 and letter O , so different series rules to traditional va2 . from the lock sets when i get them i will be able to work out the key rules , depth , space , use of inverted wafers , standard or roaming configurtaion etc .
ive already adapted a va2 tool to see if i can make this work well or not or if a whole new design is needed , id also be tempted to try the lishi toyota 2014 tool on it , though this 8 cut tool was for new corrolla flip it may be same at an outside chance .

so i cant answer your question fully until i have a variety of locks at my disposal to work out the series info and rules .

for now you should be able to trace a new key simply on a tracing machine

[rapidlocksmiths]

here is your blade transfered to current va2 bittings using the old series , you could make a card up for your machine if it allows this from the old 6 cut card 1125 as using same depths as this ic card , and add 2 more cuts to bow end same spacing apart as others and try to cut a key or 1 cut bow end and 1 cut tip end if this format .
the key has cuts both sides to facilitate random inverted wafers , so each cut will have its exact opposing cut oposite it .

[rapidlocksmiths]

ive just loaded my new 2017 instacode update and the new 8 cut toyota version of va2 is listed in instacode under VA2 now on instacode card 1423 or silca card 3749 and series info now available , if your machine lets you cut from laptop and instacode then it sorts out your issue , if not and you can make new cutting cards from your machine then you can use all the depth and space and code info from instacode to make your new card

[rob h]

Thanks,
I have just created a new file, to use on my Condor.
Will cut a new key tomorrow.


Greetings Rob

[szengen]

create applications for key laser plotters, but the machine to the metal must be 00.1

[rapidlocksmiths]

those with a keyline ninja laser can already cut these 8 cut va2 used on latest toyota as was put on ninja laser on last update , on database as KCN2763 corolla 2015

ic card for volvo 8 cut HU101 used on volvo smart key will be on ninja on next update

they are working on 7 cut daf lock on card 1415 as we speak so is also iminent