1997 chrysler voyager immobiliser problems

[obdmaster]

I now have 2 customers who have immobiliser problems on the chrysler voyager. Both are 1997 one is a 3.3 v6. I have by passed immobiliser on a similiar year neon few years ago, simply by finding box and linking out starter and fuel pump. Will it be same on the voyager or does the ecu recieve a coded signal. Both cars i havent taken on yet thought id ask you guys first.

much thanks in advance as always

[cjawahir]

never work on Chrysler before , wont Chrysler have a pin code to program keys ?

will check for you .

cj

[Meat-Head]

intreasting, bypassing neon in former life.

The word not from 'the street' but actually from the workshop is on neon, you bin security module and bit modifiyed crankshaft sensor (look at avon diagnostics, thanks for some information that)

Voyger YUCK BUT it is a job and remember to sting more if it has an air freshner that smells of "Redbull & Dog" or "Fresh Baby Vomit"

Voyger, again word NOT the street is the security module behind
passenger airbag is for the alarm if fitted, think it's a "HP" can't remember FANTASTIC company, either way has VIN number in it and can only be reprogrammed with DRBII(TM).

Seem to think this vechile has the Sentry Key(TM) and SKIM (R) module
If the word 'security' on the dash fails to go out, then blame the transponder key (unless peasant has spare one)

Nothing to stop you getting the peasant's to drop the vechiles off with you, tell the customer you will spend TWO hours on it (10 mins on car 1hr 50 on DK) then have a rethink.

Also if the peasants could inform you of excat details of what is happening and could they check the lights horn etc when car refuses to start.

Also diesel (no glow worms) but a 'grid heater' no idea, show the link when you find out what it is and where!

Does they has a LPG conversion at all?

Thanks

Meaty.

[obdmaster]

intreasting, bypassing neon in former life.

The word not from 'the street' but actually from the workshop is on neon, you bin security module and bit modifiyed crankshaft sensor (look at avon diagnostics, thanks for some information that)

Voyger YUCK BUT it is a job and remember to sting more if it has an air freshner that smells of "Redbull & Dog" or "Fresh Baby Vomit"

Voyger, again word NOT the street is the security module behind
passenger airbag is for the alarm if fitted, think it's a "HP" can't remember FANTASTIC company, either way has VIN number in it and can only be reprogrammed with DRBII(TM).

Seem to think this vechile has the Sentry Key(TM) and SKIM (R) module
If the word 'security' on the dash fails to go out, then blame the transponder key (unless peasant has spare one)

Nothing to stop you getting the peasant's to drop the vechiles off with you, tell the customer you will spend TWO hours on it (10 mins on car 1hr 50 on DK) then have a rethink.

Also if the peasants could inform you of excat details of what is happening and could they check the lights horn etc when car refuses to start.

Also diesel (no glow worms) but a 'grid heater' no idea, show the link when you find out what it is and where!

Does they has a LPG conversion at all?

Thanks

Meaty.
somewhere in that garbled mess was there some information for me meaty m8

[cristec]

Is the dashboard playing up on these, I have repaired 2 of these, both have been dry joints on the connector at the back of the dash, both had intermittent non-starting.
It might be worth checking.

[Meat-Head]

somewhere in that garbled mess was there some information for me meaty m8

In short, take the job on tell the customer you will spend 2 hours on the vechile looking at various things, then what you do is spend 10 mins on it and the other 1hr 50 you spend with your freinds here on DK.

At least i made to effort to post a reply and 'bump your thread' as they say.

[racin-snake]

i had a 97 jeep with immo problems
they will run free if the dump is put back to factory settings and com wire cut ?
this one was getting ~~~~ed up by wireless ie hubs in houses creating a bad fequency
guy opted for a off
car starts and runs without any immo code stored
hope it helps

[obdmaster]

i had a 97 jeep with im*o problems
they will run free if the dump is put back to factory settings and com wire cut ?
this one was getting ~~~~ed up by wireless ie hubs in houses creating a bad fequency
guy opted for a off
car starts and runs without any im*o code stored
hope it helps


That sounds great my m8, on the strength of your post racin snake im going to take them on . What software has immo off for chrysler m8:questionmark:

[Meat-Head]

not that M-H-M would know about things like this lol, but some jeeps ecus can't be opened, not sure cause not done one (crosses fingers)

something like screwed then potted.

do homework first dude.

[Meat-Head]

Right meant to say on these if you turn the ignition on/off 3 times (sometimes!) the speedo display will flagg up P codes, or 'done' if it is
no codes init, id somebody wishes to leech this fact and post here as their own then your welcome to (bump bump) http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f68/tricks-tips-67505/ this can also be done with the MK5 Vauxhall Astra the the correct sequence is a closely guarded secret

Anyway got mail from some geezer who must have seen my last post on here, below is what was in mail box




'Ello Mental-Head i've got an voyager, that don't go, it is diesel
it should be with you for when you open in the morning
thanks



It arrived at 8am today, simply flicked the key 3 times fault code came up
looked it up, found the 'sideward facing foo foo valve' had jambed
squirted with UB40, t*ated with a hammer any stung him, off he went happy.

Oh he had traveled through the night from somewhere, Bristol, Brighton, Birmingham, Leiscter, Liverpool or Luton, Northhampton, Southhampton, dunno somewhere LONG far away

[gazzaull22]

voyger on that year don't have a transponder.
The immo is turned off via the remote

[busaman]

i had one of these six months ago all the clocks went out so the fix was thump the top of the dash until the clocks come back start the car and the under the l/h top of the dash is the immo box unplug it and it will start without it.

it is normally a faulty dash connection on these horrible cars.

[obdmaster]

voyger on that year don't have a transponder.
The im*o is turned off via the remote


So is it coded signal to ecu or is it starter cut and fuel pump cut

[Meat-Head]

So is it coded signal to ecu or is it starter cut and fuel pump cut

The offical word on the street is no it's not, but the correct answer would be yes it is.

Just make sure the remote batteries ARE NEW (don't ask) pretty sure there is two batterys not one (oops, don't ask)

If you need to get parts then M-H-M suggest downloading from here
Welcome to Jeep Spares 4U Limited | JeepSpares4u (http://www.jeepspares4u.co.uk/) If you could somehow crash there website to stop people running these things Busaman would be delighted as well as other users.

Oh if you end up with a few spare screws save them, yank crap normally has screws with big heads!

[busaman]

So is it coded signal to ecu or is it starter cut and fuel pump cut


i honestly dont know i was told it worked and it did not heard from them since.

[odyseus7]

the car have RKE OR NOT?

[sweet-tweet]

Hi all

Due to many similer expriances with Chrysler voyager , i have never seen an happy ending unless DRB-III is in use other tools just miss one important function which they could not manage to inplement . you name it AD-100Pro SBB SnapOn SUN tool all no go , i managed to read PIN or obtain it and programs OK yet forget crank or start :-(

[Meat-Head]

Had a thought (at 4am whilst asleep) read somewhere these backs of crap certain year/ body module, you get no igniton lights no start, 2x transisters in bcm, bad batch something like 2n222a - regular standard household ones.

But you will have to reasech it, not got time, dude.

[alfons37]

if your car have rke behind cluster so can you reprogram immo with take programwire to ground and ignition on and press unlock on remote control to you hear signal after this press again fast on unlock, take away ground cable from program wire after this is immo programmed.

[Meat-Head]

if your car have rke behind cluster so can you reprogram immo with take programwire to ground and ignition on and press unlock on remote control to you hear signal after this press again fast on unlock, take away ground cable from program wire after this is immo programmed.

Yeah, the word from he check-out girls is you can this this at the OBD II
('pin 1')

Have had a piece of paper in ones hand's that has stated his, but when M-H-M tried this, there was a pop and as a customer said "Does that smell like a blown fuse to you?"

[Meat-Head]

here look at this thread, down load the file http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f68/keyfob-programming-list-99273/ and you will see the jeep crap is on here and it mentions DRBIII?

[racin-snake]

sorry guys didnt subscribe to this post
most have a seperate im*o box and alam module in the dash
with wiring to factory fusebox ect all multiplugs are with black wires
the im*o is controlled from plip as posted before but send sinal to ecm on first start in factory the dip chip inside can be modified to factory setting and wire cut to never send signal to the ecm
and the alarm can be configured to open doors and activate alarm without sending code
got a guy in glasgow to do this one and it runs
the im*o signal cuts switching to the coil drivers in ecm
so it will start for a second then stop if code isnt present
the starter relay is in fuse box and so is fuel pump but no start is posible til drivers are sent the signal oh and t300 wil display a message sayin failed at pin 3
this is one i would like to make a fly lead for any ideas on pinouts on the ad100 for this one ?

it can be done,,, guy in glasgow did it while i waited
and put ecu into car as soon as i got back
it has run fine since ?
it was a 1997 2.5 petrol cherokee sport
the alarm wa a smith something fitted in the factory at new
but its an aftermarket unit for the uk market as required by lay by then
the reciever is in the pannel on the roof at the courtesy light for remote

[Meat-Head]

GRR like M-H-M now will be having two of these next week, grr.

one deiseal, one 3.3 V6.

did you manage to fix or ~~~~ off them?

Thansk Meaty

[obdmaster]

GRR like M-H-M now will be having two of these next week, grr.

one deiseal, one 3.3 V6.

did you manage to fix or ~~~~ off them?

Thansk Meaty


Only one turned up, and the remote had been in toaster and melted ( how the ~~~~ did did remote end up in toaster?).

Anyway got a used one off ebay for around ?5, swapped some bits and managed to get it working.

Saw guy in pub month later he said it had stopped working.

Next day another guy from pub dropped it off, and the bloody batteries were flat. Replaced working again.


Luckily now the guy traded it in against some peugeot piece of shit.

As you fix one piece of shit, the customer will always get you another piece of shit to fix.:p

ps Why is this in airbag section should be in Immo, can one of my mod friends move it please

[Meat-Head]

Luckily now the guy traded it in against some peugeot piece of shit.

As you fix one piece of shit, the customer will always get you another piece of shit to fix.:p

ps Why is this in airbag section should be in Immo, can one of my mod friends move it please


Thanks, just for reference, M-H-M have in the past as a 'repair'
got the orignal ~~~~ed remote, soldered wires to the remains of the buttons, inserted new battery and used one of these to pulse the old remore

http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_product.php?partno=SCL3000

Speaking of peugot, your currant avatar, is it a Pug 406 or BMW 318 Cab lol lol:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

[Meat-Head]

YET ANOTHER THREAD HI-JACKED BY MEATY

Hi guys, another one of these bags of shite, this one has been all around the world, but clearly not to any other member of DK.

In short no dash board (milage/gear selector, fuel gauge etc)
no cranaky crancky, link out starter, no injector pulse.

It's had like 1500 people look at it it, comes will a tea chest ful of encriptic papers, phone numbers, lottery numbers, gate codes, all sorts of shit.

the body computer has been sent to like 2000 different places, with carrage and testing charges customer might as well got a new one!


It also comes with a bucket full of body computers (metal ecu sized box) above the gas pedal.

No engine codes stored (Autel, awesome) won't read, ABS, airbag or auto box though!

the punter said "The speed cluster has been out and 'checked' by somebody in Meat-City"

Thanks to Cristec for and Busaman for the heads up


dry joints on the connector at the back of the dash, .

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f86/i-love-you-long-time-125586/ 3 MASSIVE dryjoints in speedo head, waving like this
:wink: (remind me to make that first job to delete this horrid smily if i ever end up been a Mod lol)



i had one of these six months ago all the clocks went out so the fix was thump the top of the dash until the clocks come back start the car and the under the l/h top of the dash is the immo box unplug it and it will start without it.

it is normally a faulty dash connection on these horrible cars.

You can say that again


these horrible cars.

Thanks

There is a rumor going around which says, the VIN number is stored in this box on LH side and it sends the VIN number to the engine ecu
if the battery has been off for long enough it forget's it.

The remote lcoking works, no toaster marks either

Does anybody know what reading should be on the dashspeed can + and can - wires?

Thanks

Meaty.

[racin-snake]

sorry mate missed the thread
i got a guy in glasgow to do the one i had he justed offed the ecm and it runs wothout the code or first code it gets apparently
some 0of these uk ones were fitted with an aftermarket alarm box
some double barreled name i cant but once bypassed at the ecm it ran ok and i remember i just gave an earth feed to the starter inhibitor relay to get it to crank
apart from that i dont have dump as i didnt do owt like that at the time
but as said the rf plip sends signal to the ecm for immo comms the recievers in the roof module
guy also cut the wire internally in ecm so aint got that detail either ??

but it runs free without and remote still locked and opened the car ?
sorry but thats all i have to go on apart from t300 fails on pin 3 of the sixteen pin too but never tried to make a flylead

[Meat-Head]

aftermarket alarm box
some double barreled name

potter and mayfield or something like that

M-H-M have no t300 (would like one though)

Thanks for your input

if could find the fault with speedo, then good chance will run.

THANKS mate

[racin-snake]

dash solder joints are common mate?
worth a go give it a reflow ?
also worth sayin these like land ropver or range rovers get screwed wth wi fi like a wireless router ect
and forecourt telephone masts ?

just an addition to the other stuff on these tanks

[Meat-Head]

dash solder joints are common mate?
worth a go give it a reflow ?


THINKING it's more to do with two earth on the can-lines?

tested with MAC ET120 testlight

Found this whilst looking for some more ~~~~ and photos of Tracy Barlow (got side tracked)

Instrument panel repair (http://www.allpar.com/fix/gauges.html)




http://www.allpar.com/fix/gauges.html

Fixing Instrument Panels

Paul commented: I am not saying this gentlemen is wrong with what he did but I repair these body control modules (http://www.allpar.com/fix/gauges.html#) in question and it is not a bad batch of resistors; the PCB had a flaw in it and that is why all of body control modules P/N 04686058 get scrapped. If it was only a bad batch of resistors we would replace those and reuse the BCM but we scrap all 04686058 modules.
Ray Parker wrote:
Here is a little story about how to save yourself about $300 minivan repair cost:
My wife's 92 Plymouth Voyager minivan instrument cluster went on the blink. Every gauge in the instrument cluster was dead with the "check gauges" light on. This means no speedometer, odometer, fuel gauge, etc., almost like driving with blinders on.
The factory service manual states the mechanical instrument cluster is electronic with analog display gauges. All messages to the instrument cluster gauges are sent over the "CCD" bus from the body computer. The CCD bus is a two wire differential communication bus which allows the micro-processor in the body computer to communicate with the instrument cluster microprocessor.
I called the local Plymouth/Chrysler dealer and they said they would fix it (for a small fee $$). After questioning them on what they do to fix it the service rep broke down and said it goes to an outside specialty repair service company that just fixes onboard auto electronics. He was nice enough to give me their name and phone number, and said I could go direct to them for the repair of my instrument cluster.
Ray Parker wrote: ?Hey, I just fixed my 89 year old mother's 1992 Dodge Caravan by following your instructions. I replaced only the Q110 transistor as all her gauges were dead, and put the body computer back in and voila, it worked again, thus saving her a bucket of money. Thanks.?
I called this specialty repair company and told them my problem with the nonfunctional instrument cluster. They said they would be glad to fix it for $229 plus $58 removal/installation. I asked to speak to a tech to help me diagnose the problem over the phone to be sure this was the problem. A tech came on the phone and after telling him about my instrument cluster failure he said the problem is not in the cluster electronics but with the body computer! They have repaired over 1,000 of these body computers and it has fixed the instrument cluster problem only by replacing it with a later model body computer. The tech asked me to check the part number on the body computer to see if it was a 4686058 (it was). This part number was known to fail and the fix is to replace it with a new model 4741423 body computer.
Since I figure I was out $300 I decided to pulled the body computer module and check the PC board out myself. The body computer is under the steering column cover just to the right of the steering column in a sheet metal box with two large connectors. Once the cover is off it removes very easily with just two screws, but you should pull two connectors cabled to the body computer first. The body computer sheet metal cover has one screw (star type) attaching it. I removed this metal cover and popped out the pc board. It is a typical high volume low cost circuit board with a Motorola microprocessor and lots of discrete parts (capacitors, resistors, transistors). I took out my trusty digital volt/ohm meter and after a few minutes found two bad transistors, Q105 and Q110. The transistors were both found to have open base-emitter junctions. Without a schematic, I could trace one transistor to the chime transducer and the other to what appeared to be a bias for the "CCD" bus. Both were marked with factory numbers but I could deduce that the were "NPN" type transistors in a plastic TO-92 package. I called my brother, an EE who has an electronic lab in his home, and ask him to recommend a substitute part. He said he has a drawer full of 2N3904 (which you could pick up at a local Radio Shack for less than a buck) and to come over and get a couple. After carefully unsoldering the defective parts and soldering in the new transitors it would be a matter of minutes to check it out. I reinstalled the body computer and upon inserting the key into the ignition with the driver side (http://www.allpar.com/fix/gauges.html#) door open I heard the familiar "key-in-ignition" chime again!! Good so far!
Now I started the engine (http://www.allpar.com/fix/gauges.html#) and all the instrument cluster gauges came alive again!! Success!!! My brother figured the original transistors were from a bad batch and were doomed to a short life (about 4 years I guess).
I don't recommend this repair approach for everyone, but with some electronic knowledge you should be able to do this body computer repair yourself saving hundreds of dollars.


Wounder if the guy above is this guy?

http://www.recordsale.org/cdpix/r/ray_parker_jr.-chartbusters.jpg

[racin-snake]

maybe his dad as this ones ray parker jr ?

what year is the crysler ? is it can ?
wasnt aware these were at a 97/8
i presume its the same as the one the threads posted about ?

[Meat-Head]

maybe his dad as this ones ray parker jr ?

what year is the crysler ? is it can ?
wasnt aware these were at a 97/8
i presume its the same as the one the threads posted about ?

1) Who you gonna call
2) Yeah 1997/1998 year
3) Even i'm not that stupid!


Yeah want it fixing, but don't want to pay anything, did i tell you about the family holliday in Turkey 10 years ago


Right thanks, the CAN lines are DEFINATLY dead short to ground.

The guy phoned up and came in like 200000 times today, told him if he comes in again, he's going to walk out with a limp.

Keep the ideas coming, will be having another play on Tuesday when
back in M-H-M is shut due to another 'staff traning day'

Thanks guys.

[racin-snake]

just off it mate then take his cash ...then tell him to ~~~~ off

[Meat-Head]

just off it mate then take his cash ...then tell him to ~~~~ off

Nah what we like to do is hang onto the vechile for months on end, then the customer is more willing to pay for their car back.

Thanks for your input

[obdmaster]

Thanks, just for reference, M-H-M have in the past as a 'repair'
got the orignal ~~~~ed remote, soldered wires to the remains of the buttons, inserted new battery and used one of these to pulse the old remore

http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_product.php?partno=SCL3000

Speaking of peugot, your currant avatar, is it a Pug 406 or BMW 318 Cab lol lol:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:


THATS MY M3 CAB M8, DONT BE CHEEKY MEATY. loll

[Meat-Head]

THATS MY M3 TENT ON WHEELS lol

Yeah, ~~~~ that it starts, what about this job we have, makes money, pays the wages etc.

[Meat-Head]

Sorry got distracted and forgot to update this hi-jacked thread.

Basically the 'training day' had to be re-arranged on the Tuesday, the customer came in that many times, on Monday all team members of 'Team Meat' only got half a suntan, so had to close on the Tuesday.


Wednesday, got up really early, for some reason (some drugs do that apparantly). Was not in the mood to even quick view of the wiring diagramme, but assumed it's a dead short on the bus wires.

RECAP:

Dry joints on speedo head
no commication with, autobox ecu, airbag, abs. Was able to talk to engine (no faults stored!)

As it was on the ramp anyway, decided to unplug the ABS to see what damage it would cause, low and behold, dash lights, fired straight up, plugged in ABS, dead again, left it plugged in, dropped the ramp.

Decided to view the diagramme anyway, from memory the canlines
have, abs,airbag,speedo,engine ecu and something the yanks call
"Vertically mounted fi fi faucet™ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark_symbol) " - we assumed this is what they call a sideward facing foo foo valve?


Anyway, we spun the job out to last the rest of the day, rebuilt the car
(bloke came in 50 times an hour), then unplugged the ABS at the end of the day, gave him a bill for 12 hours labour, he blinked, coughed said something in Italian, blinked choughed, and got a MASSIVE wad of cash out (bonus), then statred counted the money out in Italian
whilst muttering "YOU ~~~~INA CONMAN, MY FAMILY WILL STAVEA THIS MONTHA"

We told him to take his bag of shite and ~~~~ off.

TYPICAL:

A regular customer came in whilst was extracting his money, then said after the guy had wheel spinned out the yard that apparantly
SERISOULY FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, PLEASE REPORT BACK the guy reliable chap, said that if you ever get one that is locked out like that, then have a word with a family called Connel for the excat number of turns you toggle the ignition switch, it's 74 or 75 times,
overrides the immo, lol great if your stuck somewhere with just a hammer and screwdriver.

YouTube - The Connells - '74-'75

THANKS, DIGITAL KAOS SAVES THE DAY AGAIN.

ANOTHER 'NASTY' JOB FIXED EASILY, WITH HELP FROM DK MEMBERS

[Meat-Head]

*BUMP SPAM*

Standard rules of the badgarageschemce.com clearly state, you should always think of yourself first.

So therefore i'm thinking of myself and posting this link here for furture reference

If a mod is reading this, this thread is still in the hairy bag section

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f178/jeep-wrangler-1997-alarm-188289/


http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-128634.html

"Prior to 01 the VTSS (Vehicle Theft Security System) handled the ability of the engine to not run if a break in occured.You can have keyless entry and not have the anti run feature but it is in the CTM. On vehicles that have the anti run feature the info is stored in both the CTM and also the PCM, they more or less talk to each other to verify whether the vehicle should be allowed to start or not. If either the CTM or the PCM of a vehicle with the anti run feature are replaced with one that doesn't have it then after 20 key cycles the module that wasn't repalced will learn what the other module has in it and the anti run feature takes precedence, in this scenario all is well but if you reverse it you run into issues.

After 01 SKIM was introduced which required a seperate module located in the steering column that handled the anti run feature if the proper key was not used. These vehicles could also be equipped with VTSS but it doesn't handle the anti run feature...only makes the lights and horn go off if there is an unauthorized entry. Also the vehicle could still have keyless entry but not have VTSS or SKIM."



Meat

[ecumanager]

thanks for your great contributions you
Greetings ecumanager

[Meat-Head]

Well this is Obdmasters thread, i just hijacked it.

Did you try cycleing the contact 74 times?