Motorised dish set up (elevation question)

[spudorange]

Hi all, have someone who wants me to look at his motorised system which he tells me was fine but now gets nothing.

He had a play and says he checked darkmotor was perfectly in line & then twisted dish until he got 95% (strangely on sirius not on thor) he then did a scan and got loads of channels,
it does appear the ones he was viewing were 4.8 so lnb appears ok.

Then he tried it yesterday on "glas" and even tried a scan and nothing, so I think it's his settings.

I googled his postcode and got the following:



Your Location
Satellite Data
Dish Setup Data


Latitude: 52.486?

Longitude: -1.890?


Name: 0.8W Thor 2,3
Distance: 38616km
Elevation:30.0?
Azimuth (true): 178.6?
Azimuth (magn.): 180.5?
LNB skew: -0.8?




Yet he says his elevation is set to 50 deg (not the 30 deg showing above) and that was how it was set up last year when he was getting everything.

Can anyone advise correct elevation please, he is in birmingham

thanks

[ramjet]

the motor elevation is set to birmingham which is 52.4831 in google

dish elevation is completely different and wont be 50 , typically it starts around 27.5 , but the motor booklet will say for sure

the DM booklet says

52 N , 38 elevation , 7.5 declination , 27.5 dish bracket angle, so that will be for birmingham

longitude is 1.9 w judging by your figures

[spudorange]

Thanks

do I take it that the 50deg he says it points to (on motor) should be 52 degrees

Or am I missing the point and it should be 27.5

thanks

[ramjet]

good question, which I was wondering too

I assumed he meant the motor latitude was on 50 instead of 52.5

[markwi]

Edit: Are there 2 scales on the motor.One will be for latitude and the other for elevation,90 - latidude ie 52.5 and 37.5 in this case?
The zero point of the motor should be aligned to the centre of the dish and left.He should be twisting the motor and dish on the pole to get a signal.
I must say I don't understand how the elevation values you get in dishpointer.com,for a dish without a motor,relate to one with a motor.

[ebmitie]

I have the dark motor, just set dish at 27.5 and leave it, set motor elevation to 38 if it shows elevation and 52.5 if it shows latitude but I seem to recall those markkings were incorrect on a few dark motors ie elevation was latitude and latitude was elevation. Use usals and set it up on 0.8w ie bbc world news. You may have to do 2 attempts, one with my figures as per motor and if no good reverse them, ie put elevation where it shows latitude.

good luck

[spudorange]

Thanks @ebmitie

will have a play

he says it definitely worked until recently so I guess the setting on the motor itself must be close to being right.

Looking at the above post it would seem I have to tweak it slightly from 50 to 52.5 and set dish at 38, then make sure motor is dead vertical & lock it into .8w
Then move dish slightly to lock on, then store

Does that sound correct?

[spudorange]

He probably does, until I can get there I am not certain but sounds right.


good question, which I was wondering too

I assumed he meant the motor latitude was on 50 instead of 52.5

[spudorange]

Will do thanks


I have the dark motor, just set dish at 27.5 and leave it, set motor elevation to 38 if it shows elevation and 52.5 if it shows latitude but I seem to recall those markkings were incorrect on a few dark motors ie elevation was latitude and latitude was elevation. Use usals and set it up on 0.8w ie bbc world news. You may have to do 2 attempts, one with my figures as per motor and if no good reverse them, ie put elevation where it shows latitude.

good luck

[ramjet]

Thanks @ebmitie

will have a play

he says it definitely worked until recently so I guess the setting on the motor itself must be close to being right.

Looking at the above post it would seem I have to tweak it slightly from 50 to 52.5 and set dish at 38, then make sure motor is dead vertical & lock it into .8w
Then move dish slightly to lock on, then store

Does that sound correct?

no

I would say motor latitude at 52.5

dish at 27.5

put usals into box at 52.5 N and 1.9w

no skew on lnb

send the motor to 0.8w for bbc world news etc

then move motor left/right until you get bbc, fine tune and lock it all up

[ebmitie]

mind you we should be asking what receiver is being used as well, as the op mentions, friend did a scan!!! With a motorised system channels would be already in receiver!!

[dick b]

no

I would say motor latitude at 52.5

dish at 27.5

put usals into box at 52.5 N and 1.9w

no skew on lnb

send the motor to 0.8w for bbc world news etc

then move motor left/right until you get bbc, fine tune and lock it all up

just to add dish scales are not that accurate and the 27.5 will be just a ball park figure and the exact elevation found by trial and error set up as ramjet says but if you dont find 0.8W adjust the dish elevation up/down and re-sweep til found,do not move the motor from your location latitude to tune in just the dish elevation

[spudorange]

When he said he lost everything then found 4.8 instead of thor I asked what signal he was getting and he said nearly 100%
I asked him to got to receiver and save & do a scan and he said he found lots of channels and he could view them.

He could not however view any other sats, then I think 2 days later he put it back to sirius and got nothing, even off the meter I borrowed him.

Gonna start from scratch using the help posted here and will advise

thanks


mind you we should be asking what receiver is being used as well, as the op mentions, friend did a scan!!! With a motorised system channels would be already in receiver!!

[dick b]

if you are starting from scratch heres some old instructions I made for a technomate setup using 28.2E as the target sat they may/may not be of use to you.

[spudorange]

Thank you

can't have enough info I believe.


if you are starting from scratch heres some old instructions I made for a technomate setup using 28.2E as the target sat they may/may not be of use to you.

[spudorange]

Just to add

He has been on the phone and said he tweaked the motor from 51 to 52.5 but is struggling with 27.5 on dish

He swore there is no marker point to set it so I asked him for some pictures (he sent 1 enclosed and said it was too dangerous to get other side on camera but it is the same)

I have looked and he seems to be right unless I am not seeing a marker also (have no idea what dish and bracket it is)

Will be over there weekend but thought I would update the thread

cheers

sorry picture not too clear, will get better if I can. 277912

[spudorange]

Further update.

Went over cos it was driving me nuts, taking my horizon meter.

I set up usals and it locked to almost perfect vertical with pole. (was starting to get dark and did not have a spirit level with me)

Tried moving the dish and got nothing.

Then I sent it to astra and noticed the top was tilting to far back.

I know when I set my 28.2 fixed dishes up it's not far of vertical, this was tilted quite a bit.

It was then too dark to see or work safely, but at least I think I am getting somewhere and will post up once I have been back over.

I remember having to do a motorised system for a club (my boozer) about two years ago, so as not to make a pr*t of myself in front of friends
I sunk a 6ft scaffold tube down the side of my garden decking and into soil, set it for thor and locked it all up, took it along and just had to do a slight tweaking.

This makes me think I can sort it but can not work out how he used to get channels with it tilting back, if nuts were loose gravity would make it fall vertical or past vertical, weird.

thanks to all who are trying to help.

[markwi]

Perhaps the dish was blown off alignment.Can just about read the scale but can't see what it's supposed to line-up with.Is it possible the bracket has been put on upside-down,the numbers on the scale are,so making it difficult to figure the correct dish elevation.If this is so the alignment mark for the scale will be on the other side of the dish bracket.But,as said by various above,just set the latitude on the motor bracket and then adjust the dish elevation until you get a signal.Good luck.

[spudorange]

Thanks, will do

Going to go over in the morning as he wants the footie on Saturday, if I can sort it.

The bit about being upside down may be worth a look but until I see it can not advise.

The install would be a pain to put right though as it is high on a gable wall with a sloped conservatory so not easy to do safely.

Regarding the blown out of alignment, I guess it's possible if nuts are not too tight, will know for sure tomorrow.

cheers


Perhaps the dish was blown off alignment.Can just about read the scale but can't see what it's supposed to line-up with.Is it possible the bracket has been put on upside-down,the numbers on the scale are,so making it difficult to figure the correct dish elevation.If this is so the alignment mark for the scale will be on the other side of the dish bracket.But,as said by various above,just set the latitude on the motor bracket and then adjust the dish elevation until you get a signal.Good luck.

[markwi]

Just thought of something else.How do you know the dish has moved and not the motor.I know you said it was at 50 on the motor gauge but this might not be the latitude gauge(see above,post#7).Any chance of a picture of the scale that says 50?And an overall one showing dish,motor and pole.Cheers

[spudorange]

He has sent me some pictures over but says it is raining heavy and not safe to dangle of side of ladder taking a picture so just from the ground at moment.

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First one shows 0.8 from front (ish)
second shows 0.8 from side on
third shows 28.2 from side
fourth shows 28.2 but with fixed dish in picture so elevation does seem out

[dick b]

hello mate difficult to tell from the pics its best to completly ignore the scale markings on the dish bracket send the dish to 28.2e after making sure the correct lat/long are set in the box.set the dish to point slightly higher than the sly one then then turn the whole lot L/R to pick up a signal repeat this lowering the dish a fraction after each sweep.(once your weathers better).the pics are for a TM motor the darkmotor has a spigot with a different angle

[markwi]

Ok,that looks pretty tricky,even with dry weather and dry ladders!Just a picture of the motor scale on the safe side would help.
This may help to determine which scale you are looking at,on the motor,when you set it to 52: I had a look at my motor(not a Dark motor) setup and the Elevation Scale goes from 25? at the bottom(6 O,clock position to 75? at the 4 O'Clock position,so as the Elevation goes up the dish goes up.This "Elevation" is not the elevation you mentioned in your first post that you found on the internet.When added to the latitude it equals 90?.The scale is on the left side of the motor as you look up,from the front.
On the other side(where the ladders are in your pic)is the Latitude scale which goes from 65? degrees(6 O'clock position) to 15? at the 8 O'clock position.As the latitude increases,the dish goes down.So I suspect you've got this side set to 52 but it's incorrectly labled "Elevation",as ebmitie said.Hope this helps.Cheers

[ebmitie]

I have a good look at the pics and I am not convinced its a dark motor, also it looks as if an lnb cable is coming from top of motor!! I cant see the stub of the motor but the one on a dark motor is very short. Also the bracket in post 16 does not look like a dark motor bracket. To me it looks as if the motor elevation is way off, I always use a reference sat nearest to ones location as its best for setting the arc. I know usals can be used on any sat. Anyway I would move dish to o.8w, select bbc world news and lower the motor elevation angle until you get a pic. Then get best possible signal on 0.8w. We need to know receiver as well but can wait. The other thing is the whole rig could be misaligned ie not dead straight. Move motor to zero and then look from underneath everything should be dead straight. If not make it so.

I am uploading pics of my dark motor on 28east, I am at 53 latitude, dish is 1.1m triax. these are taken from the ground today.

The motor fxing could be on updisde down as well.

[spudorange]

thanks all

will update this thread more if weather ok tomorrow.

I am starting to agree that it's not a darkmotor as that was the one I fitted a couple of years ago and yes it seems different from memory than the one sent in pics, so yes could be a technomate one.
Also would not surprise me if he did install it himself (will find out) cos it probably is upside down hence no markings lol

[ramjet]

seems to be deja vu here as your pics seem to be here before, http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f11/spiderbox-9900-motorising-problems-289670/

you can also see my pics of a darkmotor with a 1.1m triax dish too, for comparison

[markwi]

If it's a Technomate the dish bracket elevation will be 22.5? and a Darkmotor,as above,27.5?(once again this is the one that is fine tuned to get a signal) for a latitude of 52.5?.But you won't be able to set the dish angle bracket by these numbers as there's no reference mark as the bracket is upside down

[spudorange]

Yes your right ramjet about 2 years ago I tried to help and he got frustrated through lack of progress and took it down completely, then I noticed he had put it back up a week later.
I was annoyed because I was trying to help and giving my time for free.

Since his missus and mine are very close I am lumbered with having to sort it for him again.

Have done some more digging and it seemed that he did not have it perfect anyway because he says he had 1 deg fine, 13 deg fine & 28.2 fine but could not get any signal on
(he thinks 19.2 plus some others but can not remember)

He was however getting 28.2 etc until about 12 months ago.

I think I will get him to help me take it down, check if he has it upside down or not so I can set latitude and change the lnb whilst I am at it.

As mentioned, because I had promised to put one for my working man's club (which I did) then I still have the pole mount in my garden so will set it up from there
like I did for them and then take it over and tweak the dish round on the pole.

I will confirm the motor make as well once I have it on the ground.

thanks

PS
He is using a blade 7000

[spudorange]

Have dug out an old dish that was working fine, though can not remember what motor was on it and is identical to one on dish taken down.

I have put his darkmotor on it and a new lnb.

As with the other one there appears to be no calibration mark to work from (pics attached)

I also checked dark motor superior manual it shows the degrees as elevation (but this one shows latitude, which seems strange)

I guess I need to be advised further please.

thanks




thanks again
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[markwi]

Links don't work.You can tell which is latitude,as mentioned earlier,the dish goes up as the number of degrees goes down.
The picture posted the other day of you mate's dish scale,showed it up-side down.With it like this if you increased the elevation degrees the dish will go down,this is wrong ,for elevation .Same with the motor elevation scale,as the degrees goes up the dish should go up.Cheers

[spudorange]

Thanks

I have managed as mentioned to use another dish where I know the setting are correct (it's just the motor setting I am unsure of)

Now however I have a different problem regarding that motor so am posting separate as it is a completely different topic
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f11/darkmotor-supreme-problems-441242/#post2384216

will re up those pictures


Links don't work.You can tell which is latitude,as mentioned earlier,the dish goes up as the number of degrees goes down.
The picture posted the other day of you mate's dish scale,showed it up-side down.With it like this if you increased the elevation degrees the dish will go down,this is wrong ,for elevation .Same with the motor elevation scale,as the degrees goes up the dish should go up.Cheers

[spudorange]

hopefully the pictures are now available

[markwi]

The motor scale is Latitude,as the dish goes up the latitude goes down,and is set to 54?(every division is 2?) .The scale on the other side will be Elevation and read 36?.
I don't understand the scale on the dish.Is this a dish/motor combination that worked for all satellites visable?I'd ignore the scale if so.I guess you know that any combination of motor and dish setting will work,so long as you get a signal,for one satellite but won't for all satellites..Mine doesn't even have a scale on it,just a marker.Cheers.

[dick b]

see pic for settings and refer to previous answers but get the motor working reliably 1st

[spudorange]

Thanks

Have brought back a spare spiderbox 7000 and that is not moving the darkmotor, pressing east and west then connecting cable accepts reset and sends itself back to 0 deg so the motor
is kinda working lol.

Gonna try and get a mate who does it full time over bacause on one hand I don't see how it's the motor but on the other why would the boxes not move it?

will post as soon as I know more


see pic for settings and refer to previous answers but get the motor working reliably 1st

[spudorange]

Managed to get the motor running correctly now (don't ask) however I am experiencing some strange things (to me anyway)

Using Usals with 52.5 & 1.8 and with the motor sitting on my tv cabinet, connected to spiderbox I went through and tweaked each sat then tested some,
on 28.2 despite my manually setting it each time it keeps moving to 32 deg, however when I selected diseq 1.2 it returned to correct place Why please?

I also connected it a medi@box and that did weird things, go-to 0 worked fine then I sent to 0.8 and it went to 50 degrees east ????

so will leave that alone for a bit as it will only confuse things and keep playing with this spiderbox 7000 before trying on his blade 7000.

[markwi]

That should be 52.5N & 1.8W(or-).I use USALS and it's much easier than Diseqc 1.2.When you manually adjust the horizontal position of a satellite by the remote,the system goes from USALS to Diseqc so then you would have to,maybe adjust all the other sats.How do you know the satellite is moving to 32 degs?
So,setup for USALS with the above latitude and longitude,don't forget to Save.Then send the dish to the most southerly satellite to you.Then horizontally adjust the the motor mount on the pole to get the maximum signal.The other satellites should be ok if you have a perfectly vertical pole.Good luck.Cheers

[spudorange]

The problem just got a whole lot worse and will follow this post with my woes.

Q. How do you know the satellite is moving to 32 degs?

I know the motor is moving to 32 degs because it is sitting (disconnected from dish) right in front of me next to box so as it spins from 0 to 28.2 for instance I can see where it finishes. (32 deg in usals)


That should be 52.5N & 1.8W(or-).I use USALS and it's much easier than Diseqc 1.2.When you manually adjust the horizontal position of a satellite by the remote,the system goes from USALS to Diseqc so then you would have to,maybe adjust all the other sats.How do you know the satellite is moving to 32 degs?
So,setup for USALS with the above latitude and longitude,don't forget to Save.Then send the dish to the most southerly satellite to you.Then horizontally adjust the the motor mount on the pole to get the maximum signal.The other satellites should be ok if you have a perfectly vertical pole.Good luck.Cheers

[spudorange]

This motor thingi is really doing my head in and until I can get that right I can go no further.

With just the motor and a 1 metre cable I can send it to 0, I can send it east & west with the remote etc fine. (however where I am testing it in garden I need 18 metres).

I dug out a 10 metre of white (works fine), add a 4 metre of white (works fine), add another 5 metre of black and will only respond from the unit itself, not the remote.
I cut off a fresh 18 metre section of black co ax and same thing happens, no response via box & remote.

Opened up a brand new 305 metre roll of white and cut 18 metres off that, yippee all is fine so I attach to dish and onto pole then I send it to 0, then to 28.2,
then back to 0 (except it would not shift) stuck on 28.2 unless I use the east/west buttons on the motor itself.

Obviously it is not colour related, but was clutching at straws when I tried the new roll of white.

Weird but it seems that up to 12 metre of cable run is ok, anything above is iffy or a no go.

I have used his blade 7000, my Spiderbox 7000 & a Medi@box

Trying to work a common denominator here so starting to suspect intermittent fault in the motor itself.

anyone have any thoughts please?

[markwi]

The problem just got a whole lot worse and will follow this post with my woes.

Q. How do you know the satellite is moving to 32 degs?

I know the motor is moving to 32 degs because it is sitting (disconnected from dish) right in front of me next to box so as it spins from 0 to 28.2 for instance I can see where it finishes. (32 deg in usals)
What do you see?Is it the azimuth scale on the motor that goes to 32??
The cable length problem could be related to the fact you don't have an lnb connected,but that is just a guess.If you've eliminated the cable then I would suggest it's the motor.

[spudorange]

I am looking at the motor itself (not the attached side bracket with calibrations), it has 0 at the bottom and then in 1 degree increments both sides, so using diseq 1.2
it goes exactly to 13 deg, 28.2 deg etc. on usals it goes past by a few degrees for some reason.

However the bit you mention about no lnb when I selected usals could be right as that was definitely just the motor & short cable to box when I found that it was moving past 28.2

again thanks for help

Just can not get my head round why it works with longer cable sometimes and other times not, but always works on a short cable.


What do you see?Is it the azimuth scale on the motor that goes to 32??
The cable length problem could be related to the fact you don't have an lnb connected,but that is just a guess.If you've eliminated the cable then I would suggest it's the motor.

[markwi]

The rotary scale on the motor is not a scale that shows longitudinal satellite position.You need to use this calculator to figure where the motor goes to Satellite Finder - Satellite Az-El Calculator to help point your dish (http://www.satsig.net/sf.htm) .If you put your long/lat figures in,select the satellite and press calculate you get angle that the motor goes to when using USALS,for Astra 2,33?(Polar Mount Axis Rotation) .
You are putting the longitude in as West? Not sure about the cable length problem.Like I said yesterday if you have a lnb fitted and you tried a new length of cable plus you get the same result with 2 receivers(?) then it's probably the motor.Strange though.

[Nutsandbolts]

Hi If motor is moving then its nothing to do with cable from receiver to motor. It could be problem at LNB end ie check LNB cable is working. If using 1.2 to move dish then your latitude figures dont matter as 1.2 is a manual search and find method. Also check frequencies are correct otherwise you wont get a signal. If using USALS and it goes past the satellites then just re-align dish manually on a satellite and recheck . If you are in London give me a PM and will sort it out if you want.

Regards

[spudorange]

Hi there, sadly no I am in the midlands but thanks for offer.

Motor is moving using short cable but not a longer one for some reason.

Until I can sort out what is happening there, I can not even consider elevation etc

Going to try once again to get a so called "mate" over who seems un contactable all of a sudden lol

cheers


Hi If motor is moving then its nothing to do with cable from receiver to motor. It could be problem at LNB end ie check LNB cable is working. If using 1.2 to move dish then your latitude figures dont matter as 1.2 is a manual search and find method. Also check frequencies are correct otherwise you wont get a signal. If using USALS and it goes past the satellites then just re-align dish manually on a satellite and recheck . If you are in London give me a PM and will sort it out if you want.

Regards

[spudorange]

Thanks for that info

strange though that if I am using diseq and select 45 deg it goes EXACTLY to that point

will update once I can get this motor movement sorted


The rotary scale on the motor is not a scale that shows longitudinal satellite position.You need to use this calculator to figure where the motor goes to Satellite Finder - Satellite Az-El Calculator to help point your dish (http://www.satsig.net/sf.htm) .If you put your long/lat figures in,select the satellite and press calculate you get angle that the motor goes to when using USALS,for Astra 2,33?(Polar Mount Axis Rotation) .
You are putting the longitude in as West? Not sure about the cable length problem.Like I said yesterday if you have a lnb fitted and you tried a new length of cable plus you get the same result with 2 receivers(?) then it's probably the motor.Strange though.

[markwi]

Thanks for that info

strange though that if I am using diseq and select 45 deg it goes EXACTLY to that point

will update once I can get this motor movement sorted
Yes,I agree,strange.Does the same happen when you select a satellite,or is that what you mean when you select 45?.I just set mine to diseq and reset the system and sent the dish to 28.2E sat and on the scale(Technomate motor) it showed 15? .With USALS it works when you use the calculator.But all of this doesn't really matter when the motor's not moving at all on the long cable,or intermittently.Try Nutnandbolts' suggestion of another lnb.Good luck.Cheers.

[dick b]

just to add the motor should work with the lnb disconnected completely,(I set mine up on a bench before installing on the pole) if it still plays up I think you can rule the lnb out.

[spudorange]

Yeah mine was set up on tv table with 1 metre cable connected fine, once it went over 12 metres it played up.

As he had previous problems with "some sat's" he got 13deg but not 19 deg for instance I changed it for a new Triax Quattro TQT 002 so ruled that out.

Except reading the help I was getting I decided to change it for a standard sly one (zinwell) and bugger me, it's spinning now.

This means that I will re visit this tomorrow and post up

thanks

[dick b]

why are you using a quattro lnb?it will not work on your setup they are not like a quad lnb as each outlet serves a different purpose, they can only be used with multi switches to send the signal to multible locations flats etc: a single universal lnb should be all you need for a simple motorised system unless I"v missed something.also a zinwell although it will work on a standard dish is designed for an oval dish and will not give the best results.

[spudorange]

Thanks very informative

The quattro came from a guy I know who does aerial (mainly) and sat installs, he said it would solve the problem my mate had with getting some but not all satellites mentioned previously.

****, just googled it and the quattro's are ?59, I only gave him a fiver for it, wow

I realise now he was wrong and appreciate the heads up.

I will change zinwell you mention but I like to have a second cable spare to connect to meter without having to remove existing from motor, as it can be a bit of a balancing act sometimes.

I also have a single lnb technomate TM-1 which came with a complete system I bought a while back so will use that if push comes to shove, though I would prefer a suitable quad for reasons mentioned above




why are you using a quattro lnb?it will not work on your setup they are not like a quad lnb as each outlet serves a different purpose, they can only be used with multi switches to send the signal to multible locations flats etc: a single universal lnb should be all you need for a simple motorised system unless I"v missed something.also a zinwell although it will work on a standard dish is designed for an oval dish and will not give the best results.

[dick b]

yeah sure use a twin lnb(you dont need a quad) as that will allow you to connect a meter without disturbing the lnb to motor connection as you say.
the TM lnb will be fine.which ever one you use do not put any skew on it for a motorised system.

[spudorange]

Update. (and I know it is not set up right so will need more help, if not then a professional installer).
The following (my mate reckons) is the same or very similar to what he had a couple of years ago.

After changing the lnb and tweaking I managed to get the following:

0.8 no signal
4.8 80%
7.0 no signal
9.0 no signal
13.0 80%
16.0 no signal
19.2 80%
28.2 80%
36.0 no signal

Moving dish between 13 deg & 19.2 deg to 16 degrees it goes exactly in the middle so should give me something, tweaking left and right still does not get a signal.

I realise it is all about getting the settings right and they can not be but why some are fine 13 & 19.2 but not 16?

any thoughts please

[dick b]

16.0E is weaker than the other 2 sats so I"d send the dish to 16.0E via usals then slacken the dish elevation bracket and move it up/down 12.675 H 4.248 and 12.656 V 4.883 are strong TPs on that sat..if this does not work go back to 13 or 19.2 E and re tune the L/R direction after slackening the motor bracket and get the signal as high as possible,then do the same with the elevation on the dish.dont forget mounting pole must be 100% plumb and dish 100% central on the motor spigot near enough wont do.

[Nutsandbolts]

Update. (and I know it is not set up right so will need more help, if not then a professional installer).
The following (my mate reckons) is the same or very similar to what he had a couple of years ago.

After changing the lnb and tweaking I managed to get the following:

0.8 no signal
4.8 80%
7.0 no signal
9.0 no signal
13.0 80%
16.0 no signal
19.2 80%
28.2 80%
36.0 no signal

Moving dish between 13 deg & 19.2 deg to 16 degrees it goes exactly in the middle so should give me something, tweaking left and right still does not get a signal.

I realise it is all about getting the settings right and they can not be but why some are fine 13 & 19.2 but not 16?

any thoughts please
Hi From the above details it seems to me that either your dish angles are slightly out or check LNB skew. If moving left or right and you dont get a signal then its to do with the way the dish is sitting on your motor pole. You will need to bring dish angles slightly in or out until you get a picture. Also as already mentioned you must make sure wall pole is straight otherwise LNB will miss the signals. Also make sure you have up to date frequencies for each satellite. If it helps make some notes of settings as you go along to help you in case you get stuck. To be honest i dont think you are far off getting the sats but its a question of trial and patience. Believe me its very simple to get the sats .. all my friends etc all get 68east to 60 west in London with a 1m dish.

Regards.