Nissan Qashqai / X-Trail / Rogue Smart Key - BCM's That Are Dangerous

[adamb195]

Hi all,

Been doing Nissan Qashqai (mostly) Smart Keys for around 3 months now (done around 15) with Smart Pro.

I know there are 2 BCM part numbers that smart pro warns you not to program keys to (because it will brick the module) now after doing some research I've found there's more that are potentially car killing.

Before I stop my staff doing these all together I need to know whether there's a way out if one is bricked or is it simply new body control module and programming at a dealer.

I know there are threads covering this already but I just thought i'd put it out there.

[Jimmy07]

I think I read somewhere there’s more than 2 and some not identified as yet. As for BCM recovery I don’t know.

Re-mapped a few of the 1.5 diesels without a problem but done a 2.0 diesel one last week and it knocked out injector coding and dropped the key out for some reason. Managed to write coding back to injectors only after programming key back in. Always wary doing these hate them

[jodge]

more than two, those are the well know and affected sw versions

4CB0A
4CB1A
3ZP0A
4BA0A

if bricked you will need a brand new engine ecu+ bcm + keys of course the labor cost to change and the coding of the modues (abs, srs..etc)

[psam]

Good thread!!!
I think it's VERY important to all of us...

This is the one I bricked:

284B1-4CB3A

Hours and hours... Every programmer you can think of and nothing...

Stay AWAY of these models!

BR,
PM.

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[Weasel3]

These modules is delivered all over the world? In US, EU and ME etc.
Though I haven't seen a Rouge here.
But it seems that Rouge and X-trail is rebadged. And is the same vehicle.

[rapidlocksmiths]

there is mixed results even on those that are warned against on smart pro , the 6 serials ive read of issues thus far are ;

4CBOA
4CB1A
3ZPOA
4BAOA
4CB3A
4CB5A

some have killed the above and some have succeeded on the above , and these are just the ones ive read about so far , its likely there is more , which makes doing these a lottery for us all .

its been said that battery support is crucial on these and not just a booster pack or jump leads , but decent battery support that maintains voltage with no dips , i tend to maintain 14v with a support unit when i take one on , but even with battery support its a lottery , some will get lucky and get paid whilst others will be unlucky and pay the stealer and with what the dealer charges for this will kill the profit on 20 to 70 jobs depending what profit you make per job , looking at the silly rates some charge for beer money then they will take months to recover the loss incurred.
so the more you charge the less jobs you need to recover the loss , the less you charge the more time and work it takes to recover the loss , unless your very understanding insurance company will cover it for those that even bother with insurance cover

in an ideal world nissan would stand up and put their hands up , admit theres an issue and sort it at there cost , but this aint an ideal world , nissan instead deny theres an issue at all despite their own service bulliten to there dealers.

so at end of day , you decide for yourself if the risk is worthwhile , with plenty of these jobs around as most avoid them you may deem the risk v profit worthwhile , but you decide , take the risk and pay if it goes wrong or leave well alone , either way its down to the individual and how lucky you are.

as always we are on our own if the shit hits the fan

and no theres no fix for this at present other than the dealer , new units , new keys and labour then at a guess recovery costs and courtesy cars whilst off road .

so some will tell you to leave them alone , some will tell you to try and do the job , some will tell you of their success and some their woes , but at end of day the choice is yours and yours alone revel in the successes but dont cry when one goes rogue on you which law of averages says one will , hopefully not your first.

[sleepyrz]

what exactly does the service bulletin say

[Staafonline]

Did a qashqai 2014 4BAOA without problem last week, so like you say its a lottery, but it maybe has to do with how the key programming goes also bypassing pincodes in the system maybe someone can shine a light on this?
I am also very interrested in this service bulletin you speak of.

[nazz2]

Someone i know has bricked a Xtrail , so its on few modles too.(sorry no pt.no).

[adamb195]

Did a qashqai 2014 4BAOA without problem last week, so like you say its a lottery, but it maybe has to do with how the key programming goes also bypassing pincodes in the system maybe someone can shine a light on this?
I am also very interrested in this service bulletin you speak of.

That's the service bulletin.

655581

[Staafonline]

That's the service bulletin.

655581

so thats actually quite a large range 284B1 to 4CB1A did some of these maybe got a software update to counter this?

[adamb195]

I think that means that one specific part number. But there's others, just probably on another service bulletin

[jodge]

it seems the sw update on the BCM isn't an option when the dealer must change the whole BCM

[madaxe]

I've seen a Nissan Pulsar killed. So guessing its going to be Qashqai J11, X-Trail T32 and Pulsar models to avoid.

[rapidlocksmiths]

some will choose to avoid these models , some are happy to take the risk , theres no correct or incorrect advice , if your willing to pay for those that go wrong then crack on with them , if unwilling to take the risk or unwilling to pay for the ones that goi wrong then avoid them , its a simple choice , no right or wrong , just individual choice .

personally im happy to pass on them and concentrate on jobs with less risk , with the low ball rates so many charge today the margin isnt sufficient when looking at risk v reward and i suspect insurance would not cover more than 1 before they screw you .

my concern is all the cash in hand uninsured beer boys who will kill these cars and simply vanish , which tarnished us all in these days of social media .

[jodge]

For me it's simply. I always tell to the customer this problem (with the simpliest ways possible) and asking a written permisson. Every responsibility is theirs.

[rapidlocksmiths]

getting customer permissions or disclaimers or permission to proceed at their risk signed up may protect some but not others , its not something id like to take a punt on with british courts and uk trading standards , the legality of such a document with our snowflakes is questionable at best.

[jodge]

getting customer permissions or disclaimers or permission to proceed at their risk signed up may protect some but not others , its not something id like to take a punt on with british courts and uk trading standards , the legality of such a document with our snowflakes is questionable at best.

Yepp thats the reason why i asked my lawyer to wite this permission form. She have an insurance too :D But without joking...no one ever take a risk after i correctly told them the situation. My advice is always the same: try it with the dealer but with insurance covered. (There is an insurance form here if you take the 10% the other 90% cost is on the insurance company) maybe the dealers messing with a single car owner but never with the insurance companies

[BenzMan]

if BCM is bricked. will there be Faults or DTC in any off the modules.?

tnx

[fred77]

if BCM is bricked. will there be Faults or DTC in any off the modules.?

tnx

The fact car doesn't start no more might be a clue ;)

but would of thought so

[sleepyrz]

I'm surprised by the fact that nobody seems to know what exactly happens to these BCM to make them brick

Anybody got any idea?

[BenzMan]

i have 2015 nissan Rogue,

all keys lost (proximity)
BCM 284B 14BA1A

no DTC in BCM

proximity key is new unlocked

in the procedure after touching the Start Button with Remote. dash should light up and security light should blink 5 times. Does not happen.

[A22]

I thought truecode was safe to use on these, apparently it detects the effected types and warns the user, i dont have that module and and never done 1, as their not popular in my country

[BenzMan]

can a used bcm with same part number be adapted?

[sleepyrz]

Nobody even knows why it gets bricked so maybe?

[godfathertre]

Why would you risk it surely the job does not pay enough if you accidentally brick one plus not all known bcm module have been found so not safe enough do these jobs why risk.

[armpower]

Hallo

Interesting topic.
Will BCM failure only happen with proximity key version ?
Recently I've done two Qashqai 2017 with regular remote key (not proximity) without problems.
I've coded the keys with Con sult3 connected to a J2534 interface.I've used AVDI to generate the PIN code and insert manually in the software.
It's interesting to see if this Bcm' failures are possible only with aftermarket key tools or happen also with original tool.
Only a Nissan expert or autorizhed workshop can answer this question i guess.
If only aftermarket key tools are responsible of BCM failure than Con-sult 3 plus Pin code generator are the only safe solution.

[rapidlocksmiths]

mechanical keys / flip are not affected by this , these are safe to do , this only affects the proximity keys , and even the main dealer tool kills these as well , no tool can do an affected unit not even consult , this is why the dealers had a technical service bullitin warning them of this issue and the new parts required to sort the car. new bcm , new steering lock and one other unit i read somewhere. so if a bad unit then your consult will also kill it.

truecode is safe in as much as it warns you of the bcm serials it knows to cause issues , but it doesnt know them all as at least 2 not listed were killed on here with different serials to truecode lists .

bear in mind some have had success on all of the known bad bcm serials , and some seem to be 50/50 pot luck , so the risk is there on all proximity systems for these , its up to you if you want to risk it or not , what is crucial on these is voltage so if taking a chance use decent battery support unit to maintain voltage , those succeeding on some of these all had in common that they used good battery support , alot who killed them did not , so may be a factor .

the deciding factor for most is Risk versus reward , is the profit worth the risk and how many cars miust you do to recover the loss from having a go.

[armpower]

Thank you rapidlocksmiths

It's the sort of info we need to avoid loss of money and also image.
It's better to send the car to main dealer.Probably in event of BCM failure the dealer is supported by Nissan (with new spare ).
Probably is a bug in Bcm internal firmware.
The next interesting thing will be.Anyone with bricked BCM have tried to read MCU or eprom to see if it's reparable?
Thanks to all for valuable info and shared expertise.

Cheers

[jodge]

can a used bcm with same part number be adapted?


nope i was readed and following all stories here and other fourms too. Only dealer. If they find an affected BCM they must have to replace before the key learning. Somebody posted a service bulletin about this. If the car already killed they will need engine ecu, (bcose the dealer not virginize used ecu) bcm, and 2 keys plus online coding with Consult . Fckn fortune

PS: and the BCM mcu is with locked JTAG port no way to read or write only OBD

[nazz2]

Fiy, i had a Nissan Serena 2014 prox today for spare key, told the owner about the danger we agreed to clone his key . used key tool, but sniffing on the push button was only started when we removed his working key from the cab.but at least he has a key which can start the car.

[rob h]

Next time take battery out, before you start cloning.

[nazz2]

I know what you are saying, but didnt want to knock the remote out, just in case, i am worrier!

[mjoesen]

I use Truecode from Keyprogrammers for Nissan and it tells me when it is risky. Is there any way to know which cars that is bad before I meet my client and connect my software?

[jodge]

I use Truecode from Keyprogrammers for Nissan and it tells me when it is risky. Is there any way to know which cars that is bad before I meet my client and connect my software?

Nope only obd

[musti418]

ecu virgin steering lock will be bcm new

[ranchero]

So, still no solution. Wow. Had some customers asking to make a spare for 2014-2017 Rogue. After explaining situation and offering them to sign waiver they went away (of course).
Can anyone confirm that this problem affects North American cars as well? Or maybe it's just European nightmare?

[drugowaz]

No matter region. All affected

[ranchero]

Which key programmers (or other tools) are able to pull part number of BCM so it can be at least compared with known "bad" numbers?

[rapidlocksmiths]

truecode , smart pro , abrites , im608 , zedfull and i suspect many more

[drugowaz]

Any normal diagnostic scanner read this data

[fred77]

Which key programmers (or other tools) are able to pull part number of BCM so it can be at least compared with known "bad" numbers?

bad p/n are only guide

others could exist

[drugowaz]

Part number of bcm. Think logicaly . Who can tell you all dangerous pn if nobody knows them all. All tools who give info about part number is totaly same as you can find google or forums from who had bad experience and wrote them.

[madsci69]

So, still no solution. Wow. Had some customers asking to make a spare for 2014-2017 Rogue. After explaining situation and offering them to sign waiver they went away (of course).
Can anyone confirm that this problem affects North American cars as well? Or maybe it's just European nightmare?Definitely in North America. I had someone call me out about an hour away to make a key for a 2016 Rogue. I had never encountered the faulty BCM, and I figured since the one I was working on was a different part number than the ones warned by my programmer, it would work fine. This was my first encounter with these. I feel bad, the customer has no way to afford to tow it to the dealer, and the dealer quoted a price already for the key that they can't afford either. I was hoping for a solution besides replacing the modules, but so far have found nothing.

On that note, are there any Nissan tech bulletins about this? I saw some in reference to losing all keys while in transport mode, but it seems to cover a different issue.

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[jodge]

Definitely in North America. I had someone call me out about an hour away to make a key for a 2016 Rogue. I had never encountered the faulty BCM, and I figured since the one I was working on was a different part number than the ones warned by my programmer, it would work fine. This was my first encounter with these. I feel bad, the customer has no way to afford to tow it to the dealer, and the dealer quoted a price already for the key that they can't afford either. I was hoping for a solution besides replacing the modules, but so far have found nothing.

On that note, are there any Nissan tech bulletins about this? I saw some in reference to losing all keys while in transport mode, but it seems to cover a different issue.

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Check the beginning of this thread
https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/776775-Nissan-Qashqai-X-Trail-Rogue-Smart-Key-BCM-s-That-Are-Dangerous?p=3685609&viewfull=1#post3685609

[Telephonewire]

Fiy, i had a Nissan Serena 2014 prox today for spare key, told the owner about the danger we agreed to clone his key . used key tool, but sniffing on the push button was only started when we removed his working key from the cab.but at least he has a key which can start the car.

I didn't know that proximity keys can be cloned? A couple of local locksmiths that I contacted knew about the bricking issues caused by affected BCM's and said that there was currently no way of cloning proximity keys?

If proximity keys can be cloned then what cloning tools can be used to clone proximity keys?

Wouldn't cloning be the obvious 'work around' for these cars instead of trying to code new keys with the know risks & issues?

Can anyone in the Royston / Cambridge England area clone a new key for my 2015 Nissan Pulsar 1.5 dCi which unfortunately has one of the know BCM modules that has issues?

[HeXeN]

Anybody tested QashQai with BCM 284B2-4CB2A ? It's not on the list

[whiskeyman]

I didn't know that proximity keys can be cloned? A couple of local locksmiths that I contacted knew about the bricking issues caused by affected BCM's and said that there was currently no way of cloning proximity keys?

If proximity keys can be cloned then what cloning tools can be used to clone proximity keys?

Wouldn't cloning be the obvious 'work around' for these cars instead of trying to code new keys with the know risks & issues?

Can anyone in the Royston / Cambridge England area clone a new key for my 2015 Nissan Pulsar 1.5 dCi which unfortunately has one of the know BCM modules that has issues?

pay your money you take your chance
or go nissan

[autoTkey]

I didn't know that proximity keys can be cloned? A couple of local locksmiths that I contacted knew about the bricking issues caused by affected BCM's and said that there was currently no way of cloning proximity keys?

If proximity keys can be cloned then what cloning tools can be used to clone proximity keys?

Wouldn't cloning be the obvious 'work around' for these cars instead of trying to code new keys with the know risks & issues?

Can anyone in the Royston / Cambridge England area clone a new key for my 2015 Nissan Pulsar 1.5 dCi which unfortunately has one of the know BCM modules that has issues?

It's ID46. Technology to clone this transponder has been around for many years. Just clone the transponder part and cut an emergency blade or go the hard way.

[HeXeN]

You cant clone hitag AES 4A

[autoTkey]

Of course. But I talk about ID46.

[HeXeN]

Pulsar proximity has id46?

[godfathertre]

So why not clone it.

[autoTkey]

Pulsar proximity has id46?

I believe it has 4A. But I was talking about the Serena from the quoted text.

[fred77]

Had 284B5-4CB0A spare today and walked away not worth risk
284B5-4CB0C is on the list. Little too close for my liking

Successfully did a model 6-months ago with the 1st 4 digit match but this was AKL - Little different when car is already running!

[godfathertwo]

I would not touch these vehicles if the customer even paid me £1000 pound for 1 additional key if vehicles messed up goes to dealer you have provably a £2000 pound bill you must be crazy to touch them not worth the risk.

[mjoesen]

Does any one of you know if Nissan Leaf smart key is on the "brick list" (and if so is both 2015-2017, 2019-2021 modell affected)?

[jodge]

nope, only Rouge, Quasqai, X-Trail, Juke

[adamb195]

nope, only Rouge, Quasqai, X-Trail, Juke

Juke isn't on the list from Nissan that's affected.

It's Qashqai (J11), Pulsar (C13) and X-Trail (T32)

Basically anything that runs the ID4A chip

[jodge]

yepp, you are right my bad

[super jumbe]

Nothing wrong with the nissan car immobiliser system if dealers can do them you need proper dealer tools if you can not invest keep out.........

[ghostrider72]

Yeah. And you are the only one in possession of all brands dealer tools [emoji23].

[super jumbe]

No pal only chisel and hammer.....No heavy investment.

[newone]

Juke isn't on the list from Nissan that's affected.

It's Qashqai (J11), Pulsar (C13) and X-Trail (T32)

Basically anything that runs the ID4A chip
so everything with id46 is safe to do ?

[p1et]

so everything with id46 is safe to do ?

Juke ID46 might be pain if you login through wrong system and erase keys. Normally should be 4 digit PIN.

[newone]

the problem with not safe bcm is only for 4a only or and for id46 ?

[musti418]

bcm'nin güvenli olmaması sorunu yalnızca 4a için mi yoksa ve id46 için mi?
generally 4a 2014 to 2016 model qashgai vehicles

[Stevesd]

Good thread!!!
I think it's VERY important to all of us...

This is the one I bricked:

284B1-4CB3A

Hours and hours... Every programmer you can think of and nothing...

Stay AWAY of these models!

BR,
PM.

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I broke this one today
284B24BA6A

[Stevesd]

Add this to the list. Broke today
284B24BA6A

[qeso705]

I broke this one today
284B24BA6A

It was add key or all key lost?

[godfathertwo]

Model and year please i hope people are charging extra for these models with dangerous bcm etc as these jobs can really hurt your business i personally do not take them on did you use a battery support yes or no on the one that you bricked .

[Stevesd]

Rogue 2017 . Yes for battery

[joker01]

hello ...... I'm a novice locksmith and a customer contacted me for a juke keyless copy (I think it's id46). I have read the whole post so I do not trust to do it and I have proposed a copy of the transponder only (clone). removing the battery from the keyless first I can proceed to the clone without problems right ???
a question that comes to me ....... if I close the car with the remote control and then reopen it manually with the blade I have a standard anti-theft device that will sound ??? Thanks in advance......

[autoTkey]

These are some things you would need to test on your own with the car - alarm is not installed on every car by default so it depends. But Juke hasn't got this problem with the BCM, like Qashqai does. It's got other problems. Duplicating should be possible, technically.

[lidons]

I've done very few and I never paid attention to this problem, I didn't know about it, I already panicked and I don't want my pocket to regret it, I won't be able to help because I won't touch any of them, I want to sleep peacefully, I'm too old for scares jajaja


Is there a way to do it on a workbench? and avoid by OBD

[joker01]

ok ......
I talked to some people who also killed bcm juke so I don't feel like taking the risk .... I'll try with clone if the customer arrives .....
from what I read after bcm locks the jtag pcb port no longer communicates with mcu so even doing backup on bench in case of trouble you should unsolder mcu ....
this is information I found on this forum ......

[fred77]

ok ......
I talked to some people who also killed bcm juke so I don't feel like taking the risk .... I'll try with clone if the customer arrives .....
from what I read after bcm locks the jtag pcb port no longer communicates with mcu so even doing backup on bench in case of trouble you should unsolder mcu ....
this is information I found on this forum ......

So your saying in can replace mcu with backup dump .... and all is well again

Interesting will do research also


what I'm unclear about is it's great doing backup on MCU but what changes (if any) are in other units on proramming a key?
Ie does ECU get updated. Prob not and all ok IF AND IF can actually do a real total backup of mcu via jtag

[joker01]

friend i don't know if backup mcu can help ..... it's just my idea but i have no direct experience ..... if i get an akl i will try to do some tests .....

[joker01]

customer arrived made only transponder clone .... I could not test ....

[turismou]

I advise everyone that plans to do keys for there cars to check procedures very carefully. Go watch a video on YT for your tool or read and follow the instructions carefully.
Today I had a Qashkai 2014 proximity. The customer wanted a spare one and I told him there is risk. OBDSTAR have updated the list and show around 10 BCMs that are affected. This one was neither on the list nor here on thread. I went ahead to programming and missed a step where it said to turn ignition off after learning key no1. It got stuck with ignition ON and wouldn't switch off. I took the battery clam off for 10 secods and put it back on, luckily it was able to enter programming again and I managed to finish the job.
I must say that a part of me died for a second there, so I say now to all others, be very carefull.

[godfathertwo]

That is why i do not take this jobs on these model too risky
As some dangerous bcm have not been discovered yet and Nissan
Does not take any responsability for this
Shame on them .

[turismou]

That is why i do not take this jobs on these model too risky
As some dangerous bcm have not been discovered yet and Nissan
Does not take any responsability for this
Shame on them .
I think I'm gonna start rejecting those vehicles or tell very high price so that customer goes away. That kind of stress is not worth it.

[p1et]

I think this problem have some explanation and for sure there are people who know what is going on we encounter problem with those BCM's. I don't believe it's just bad luck, it must depend on something that they stuck in boot mode / learning mode and it can't be just bad luck. Because when it danger you about BCM serial number, most of the times you will succeed. I fully understand danger when dealing with Renault BCM's, sometimes there is no PIN found in BCM and tools clear card and cannot reprogram. But here it's not the problem during PIN obtaining process, it happen during programming which doesn't make much sense for me.

[turismou]

A friend of mine was doing a spare key for Nissan Juke 2015. He attempted to program it with Autel and it failed during the procedure. All symptoms are same like when Qashkai fails, no ignition, no light to cluster, dead car... We tried to find someone to fix this, but no one can do it, last stop will probably be dealer and new BCM to be coded online...
This pretty much confirms that every nissan from 2014~2016 is risky. Even the ones we thought are safe are not safe.

[davorOS]

today I had call from local nissan dealer they need to change radio unit on qaskai and procedure need to reprogram key
some how diagnostic stop and kill car on key reprogramming
so it is ~~~~ing car problem and better as sugested to avoid this car and past them to someone else

[p1et]

today I had call from local nissan dealer they need to change radio unit on qaskai and procedure need to reprogram key
some how diagnostic stop and kill car on key reprogramming
so it is ~~~~ing car problem and better as sugested to avoid this car and past them to someone else

So what's now? Dealership repair car at his cost or customer must pay for it? It always makes me wonder.

[davorOS]

I don't know who will pay the cost I will let you know if they told me
mechanic that work on car ask me to install elv emulator to try get ignition as they can communicate with BCM but not with Engine ecu
will see on monday

[rapidlocksmiths]

on qashqai , rogue and xtrail , dealer change bcm , electronic steering lock and 1 other unit on most ive read on that went wrong , if the dealer causes it and car is under warranty still then repaired under warranty , if no longer under warranty customer must pay , in every case ive read about to date when a 3rd party causes it then the dealer has charged for repair despite being a known nissan issue.

[godfathertwo]

Shame on Nissan
Known problem and this should be fixed even if out of warranty in America they take action trough court to make big manufacture aware of their faults like accelarator pedal stuck open people killed etc etc.

[Spiritech]

Forget the shame on Nissan, forget the banned BCM P/N list.

This is entirely down to the procedure used, not the diagnostics, not the tool, it is entirely down to the procedure.

Look at the previous reports and you'll pretty much always see it's a spare key.

Spare key means the steering lock is probably disengaged because it opens when the door does on most firmwares.

I fully support the use of good quality tools like the Smart Pro or AVDI and if you're not using good tools take a good hard look at yourself and your business model.(Buy a bloody Smart Pro for key jobs boys)

Just ensure the steering lock is LOCKED before making a spare key, some(most) BCMs must see the steering lock retract before learning a new key and if they do not they crash. A crash in these vehicles as common for Nissan vehicles results in a blanked EEPROM area of the processor as they rewrite the entire EEPROM during the key learning including the links to other modules. However given these are the first Renault based UCH/BCM vehicles it is likely that these vehicles did not have proper supporting documentation at dealers. You can use the EEPROM of another vehicle to relearn all immo related functions(all Nissan immo procedures up to 21 include a full relearn, new 21+ Juke etc is different and more Renault than Nissan) in case of a failure as all modules learn from IMMO/BCM/UCH during key learn.

TLDR: Use quality tools, ensure steering is locked before key learn.

[autoTkey]

So how come no one else figured he can at least backup the BCM eeprom before the risky procedure so at least the attempt could be safe?
How to read that eeprom? And you mean you have done these cars and never had a problem (after finding the truth)?

[newone]

I fully support the use of good quality tools like the Smart Pro or AVDI and if you're not using good tools take a good hard look at yourself and your business model.(Buy a bloody Smart Pro for key jobs boys)


i have smart pro and also this tells to check bcm purt number...
edit
till now no one state that they are safe to be done in a certain way,how to be sure when we try to add a key into a banned or not banned bcm nothing is going to be wrong and end in a situation where we have to pay big money ??? i read your post entirely but if you are sure for what you are talking then please make a video adding a key to a banned bcm,for me is funny not to worry making a fem-bdc key and to be scared with those nissans...

[Spiritech]

i have smart pro and also this tells to check bcm purt number...
edit
till now no one state that they are safe to be done in a certain way,how to be sure when we try to add a key into a banned or not banned bcm nothing is going to be wrong and end in a situation where we have to pay big money ??? i read your post entirely but if you are sure for what you are talking then please make a video adding a key to a banned bcm,for me is funny not to worry making a fem-bdc key and to be scared with those nissans...

SP has the ban list because it was made before the reason for the failure was found. I've done a great many Nissan spare and AKL on this platform and never had a single failure even with 'banned' BCM part numbers. I'll keep an eye out for one with a banned part number and try to remember to make a video of it.

[rapidlocksmiths]

this is also the advice from TDB1000 support and greg chambers , they sent this notice out some months ago regarding this as the cause.

this was the advice bulletin sent out by tdb some time ago


Nissan BCM Part Numbers that can cause issues when key programming are:

284B1-3ZP0A
284B1-4CB0A
284B1-4CB1A
284B1-4CB2A
284B1-4CB3A
284B1-4CB4A
284B1-4CB5A
284B1-4CE1A

Vehicles known to have issue with BCM’s locking after key programming are from the Pulsar, Qashqai and X-Trail models.

Issue is believed to be related to situations when the locksmith is adding a key to the system and the key programmer is attempting to unlock the steering column and power the ignition when its already unlocked and on with a working key.

[p1et]

@Spiritech

Awesome info. As I said earlier in this thread, I knew it has some epxlanation. It just didnt make any sense. Thanks!

[Manta1600]

@Spiritech

Awesome info. As I said earlier in this thread, I knew it has some epxlanation. It just didnt make any sense. Thanks!

The only question is why the cars go faulty in AKL

[godfathertwo]

This cant be the only problem even dealer with dealer tools brick them than something else is happening to these vehicles and not even the dealers do not know that is why to avoid these vehicles till a proper fix is found.

[p1et]

The only question is why the cars go faulty in AKL

If it happened, I don't know but I heard only of bricked BCMs when adding spare, like been explained here.

[rapidlocksmiths]

i have read on various groups of a number of nissan rogues being bricked AKL and im certain ive read on some groups of qashqai and xtrail same , whether same issue or whether still to do with the steering lock i dont know , but theres certainly some claim to have killed these akl

[Faraday]

SP has the ban list because it was made before the reason for the failure was found. I've done a great many Nissan spare and AKL on this platform and never had a single failure even with 'banned' BCM part numbers. I'll keep an eye out for one with a banned part number and try to remember to make a video of it.


You mean EU market cars?

[godfathertwo]

So are you using sp on these
Models only and you never
Bricked any please take a video as you said next time you have one .

[Spiritech]

So are you using sp on these
Models only and you never
Bricked any please take a video as you said next time you have one .

Yep, never bricked a single one.

[fred77]

SP has the ban list because it was made before the reason for the failure was found. I've done a great many Nissan spare and AKL on this platform and never had a single failure even with 'banned' BCM part numbers. I'll keep an eye out for one with a banned part number and try to remember to make a video of it.


Can't see that statement true
And You may of done many/make video -but that's no guarantee next car ok


Developers of SP and many other tools which have a list know alot more than us lot.
Certain part-numbers did seem to have issue as Nissan had a bulletin (start of thread posted below)

I'll wait for expert feedback and welcome updates :)

[Spiritech]

You can not believe me if you like Fred, I've done so many of these now I don't even check the part number of the BCM. I did however check one today, and it was on the 'bad' part number list. Successfully added a 3rd key. Video link below.

https://youtu.be/d4B5csOYc3U

As you can see, learns 3 keys no issues. Gets security access from BCM fine, learns 3 keys then key learning ends.

[TeL200]

I don't check the part number of the BCM either
Using Smart Pro too (or AD100 Pro), Start session with working key, follow screen prompts to the letter.
I've done so many Qashqai J11 that others refused to do! What's not to like?

[autoTkey]

You can not believe me if you like Fred, I've done so many of these now I don't even check the part number of the BCM. I did however check one today, and it was on the 'bad' part number list. Successfully added a 3rd key. Video link below.

https://youtu.be/d4B5csOYc3U

As you can see, learns 3 keys no issues. Gets security access from BCM fine, learns 3 keys then key learning ends.

What's the BCM part number ?

[Spiritech]

What's the BCM part number ?

It's in the video but this was a 284B1-4BY1A

[autoTkey]

Didn't notice it at first where it writes it. Thanks.

[godfathertwo]

So these are the safest tools for them and not to be touched with other programmers till a proper fix is found .

[Faraday]

4BY1A is not on the list, car on yt movie is for Ausie market.

[autoTkey]

4BY1A is not on the list, car on yt movie is for Ausie market.

Check again.930819

[rapidlocksmiths]

So these are the safest tools for them and not to be touched with other programmers till a proper fix is found .

i suspect most tools can be used , certainly avdi , tdb , zedfull , smart pro and truecode , as long as you make sure that the steering lock is engaged , however smart pro looks to get job done .

a good habit to get into on a spare is ;

1) remove battery on the original key and confirm vehicle starts on emergency start by touching logo on start button to start

2) apply adequate battery support

3) reprogram just the original key to the car on its own , once coded check if working correctly , check if steering lock engages when you exit the car, if any issues occur do a battery reset and all should be fine

4) if original key codes in fine then proceed to ensure steering lock is engaged and program original key first then the spare key(s)

but although this works for some , it may not be a 100% routine to follow , it may reduce risks but may not totally eradicate them , time only will confirm this , at end of day its a personal decision whether you accept risk or not , only the individual can decide this. at end of day no one is wrong trying or passing these.

[super jumbe]

Been thinking the video was for the Ausie market has any one tersted UK version with smart pro?

[TeL200]

See#105 (https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/776775-Nissan-Qashqai-X-Trail-Rogue-Smart-Key-BCM-s-That-Are-Dangerous?p=4455027&viewfull=1#post4455027)

I'm in UK, And completed AKL and additional key jobs without issue using either Smart Pro, Abrites, AD100 Pro, ODBStar X300 Key Master DP Plus or Autel IM608 Pro.

[p1et]

Okay now I understand all of this is connected with steering lock not engaged but...

Here https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/716329-Rogue-nissan-2014-help-appreciated-if-someone-has-a-clue?p=3475181&viewfull=1#post3475181

its the infamous thread about one of our forum user bricked BCM and he said there WAS NO ESL in that particular model, so steering was always free. What about that?

[Spiritech]

Okay now I understand all of this is connected with steering lock not engaged but...

Here https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/716329-Rogue-nissan-2014-help-appreciated-if-someone-has-a-clue?p=3475181&viewfull=1#post3475181

its the infamous thread about one of our forum user bricked BCM and he said there WAS NO ESL in that particular model, so steering was always free. What about that?

I've never seen a Nissan smart key vehicle without a ESL. Two possibilities, one is that the vehicle had an emulator fitted that didn't respond as required during the learning procedure the 2nd is the ESL was present but unlocked and the vehicle starting fine without it(you occasionally see this on earlier ones until the ESL moves out a little then need to replace motor).

[p1et]

Yes I consider also there must been ESL or emulator installed but on the other hand, the user who happened to, changed all the electronic modules from donor car and fought for very long time with it trying to start, so how could he not seen ESL or emulator, I don't know what to believe.

But again, the steering lock engagement, all this makes perfect sense and like I said in this thread ealier and many times to my colleagues, that there must be some explanation of this problem, everyone talked nah nah, they have bad SW and even dealer are bricking them, thatnever made sense to me.

The other thing prooving it's about steering lock, is that the models within same year range with standard igniton lock (non smart keys) are 100% secure job.

[Spiritech]

Yes I consider also there must been ESL or emulator installed but on the other hand, the user who happened to, changed all the electronic modules from donor car and fought for very long time with it trying to start, so how could he not seen ESL or emulator, I don't know what to believe.

But again, the steering lock engagement, all this makes perfect sense and like I said in this thread ealier and many times to my colleagues, that there must be some explanation of this problem, everyone talked nah nah, they have bad SW and even dealer are bricking them, thatnever made sense to me.

The other thing prooving it's about steering lock, is that the models within same year range with standard igniton lock (non smart keys) are 100% secure job.

If the emulator was well fitted and you're not looking for it you might not see it. I know when I fit emulators to vehicles I hide them behind looms or taped to other modules so they're not easily found, no need to advertise the fact we've bypassed something. Also without the steering locking they may not have realised to look for one until it's too late, additionally wreckers often forget to include the ESL in an immo kit(at least out here they do, immo kits here are key, lock, bcm/cluster, ecu normally) because they don't understand the function of it.

Partially this is also Nissan's fault for finally actually caring about the ESL status, the earlier 46 based cars with or without slot do not care as long as it's fully unlocked at the time of starting the vehicle so their sloppy design has trained us to not check the status until it is too late for these vehicles. Also shame on them for making the BCM crash when it sees incorrect conditions rather than just throwing an error.

[Col19]

Hi friends

I also blocked a BCM on Nissan Qashqai J11 1.6 Dci 130ps 2014.


What pain :(


I changed the starter kit with BCM, ECU, Column lock, dash, of course identical motorization except 2017 instead of 2014, now the ignition is available, everything works, centralization ok, the lock locks and unlocks except the start is not possible.


The radio is also blocked, I try to enter the VIN but error on each attempt (launch, Consult), the injector codes are written successfully.


If a friend could help me I am ready to donate with a good heart, thank you.

[fred77]

See#105 (https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/776775-Nissan-Qashqai-X-Trail-Rogue-Smart-Key-BCM-s-That-Are-Dangerous?p=4455027&viewfull=1#post4455027)

I'm in UK, And completed AKL and additional key jobs without issue using either Smart Pro, Abrites, AD100 Pro, ODBStar X300 Key Master DP Plus or Autel IM608 Pro.


Ok great but was Nissan's own bulletin warnings of issue - then aftermarket companies like Smartpro followed



So not sure point your trying to make? Ignore your SmartPro warnings of DOOM maybe
Fixing ...that's info

[godfathertre]

I personally do not take these jobs not worth the Risk till there is a Recovery fix if ever made by Nissan too expensive to fix if goes wrong .

[Col19]

Hi friends

I made the mistake of my life with this damned nissan Qashqai J11.

After changing the starter kit, the contact is ok but impossible to start.

I cannot enter the VIN, the radio is blocked. I have faults in donor ECU like engine pressure sensor etc... while everything was ok before I changed the kit. Impossible to dialogue with the original ECU in the car but i can dialogue on the table. It's really frustrating

[godfathertre]

I hope someone here will be able to help you on this forum
And stay away from Nissan
In the future till a fix From Nissan is available and
NISSAN should replace and fix these vehicles out of warranty shame on them .

[p1et]

But seems it really occurs when ESL is not locked before attempting to program keys, like explained in this thread. However none of key programming tools manufacturers, inform about this so still bit unsure if it's really safe to do them if you make sure ESL is locked

[Col19]

Really bad luck for me

Then no one has a solution to offer except change the starter kit. My column lock was locked before programming, it is still locked by the way.


I think the starter kit for 2017 is not compatible with the J11 2014 even if the 2 are "EDC17C84" for 1.6 dci 130.


Would virgin the stock ECU fix the boot problem ? I will change the engine bay fuse box to the donor one but not too hopeful.


Yesterday i did an ECU update with X431 online, it went well, the vehicle started for 2 seconds then stopped, then by dint of trying the starter stops working, then at the end nothing.


What i will try:


1. change the fuse box by the donor
2.Put the original ECU blank
3. try to read original BCM.


Thanks again to everyone. The suffering continues !!!

[fuzz1]

Hello my friend

If it's something you think will affect your reputation go for a kit from the scrap yard. I bought a whole kit which turned out to be not so expensive

[Col19]

Thank you dear friend Fuzz1

I need the same ECU number to try but alas not easy to find, apparently the quickest and safest way is to buy a new BCM and ECU from the dealership and reprogram two keys.

I'm really in trouble. Thanks again.

[fuzz1]

Hi

You don't really need the same part number if you taking the whole kit from another car. of course same model type
Things to take into account

Manual or Automatic transmission
Engine capacity
LHD RHD (not too sure about this)
Diesel or Petrol

I did for Nissan J11 before got the car back on the road

The whole set was less than a new ECU

[autoTkey]

Col19 - was the BCM from the models in the blacklist and which tool you used to program the key?
Was it AKL or add a key?

[alessio93]

Does this problem also exist on Renault or only on Nissan?

[Col19]

Thank you dear friend Fuzz1 for the information, yes the kit is from the same vehicle (Edc17c84) 1.6 dci 130ps, I will look in the ECU and BCM settings if it is registered as a manual box.

The only difference is that the donor is from 2017 and the car is from 2014. Thanks again.

Hi dear friend AutoTkey, yes it was the blacklisted BCM, I used Autel Lm508 and original ZedFull. THANKS.

[autoTkey]

Does this problem also exist on Renault or only on Nissan?

If you talk about the Kadjar - I have not heard of such issue. It seems they are not so close electronically. Kadjar systems are closer(same?) to the Megane 4 / Talisman.

[000nissan000]

Does anyone have the complete service bulletin for this issue ? I can see there is a screen shot but I want to read the whole thing, I have looked on NISSAN USA and cant find it either.

[p1et]

I'm also interested in bulletin. I searched for it whole web but didn't find exactly what I was looking for.

[askkey]

I don't think Nissan acknowledged the issue officialy. That is the reason I suspect the issue is not fixable with software or firmware.

If they acknowledged the fault in the hardware they could be held accountable by the many authorized Nissan repair centers that bricked cars and had to change the module out of pocket.

[p1et]

On facebook group, there is a reputable guy who shared info that he follow the bulletin instruction and never bricked any, he also doesnt care of bcm part numbers, just follow 'special procedure' from bulletin. It must be somewhere but I searched everywhere and didn't find. Or maybe I found it but thinking it's not what I thought, not enough for me, i dont know...

[askkey]

I have asked several Nissan Technicians if they had the same problem with the OEM diagnostic equipment and they confirmed that they bricked several cars as well. The last time I spoke to one was less that 2 years ago and there was no known procedure or fix. At least they didn't know of one.

[godfathertwo]

As i said before Nissan need to take ownership of this fault as affects a lot of vehicle around the world and even if dealer tool brick them this tells it at they say make sure steering is locked or unlocked as one member sayd i repeat again too Risky too take on for me and too expensive if goes wrong.

[jodge]

As i said before Nissan need to take ownership of this fault as affects a lot of vehicle around the world and even if dealer tool brick them this tells it at they say make sure steering is locked or unlocked as one member sayd i repeat again too Risky too take on for me and too expensive if goes wrong.

one guy from the local nissan dealership explained to me. The BCM itself fully functional. It doesn't the Nissan fault if you lost a key(s) Obviously we can arguing with this :)

[jodge]

On facebook group, there is a reputable guy who shared info that he follow the bulletin instruction and never bricked any, he also doesnt care of bcm part numbers, just follow 'special procedure' from bulletin. It must be somewhere but I searched everywhere and didn't find. Or maybe I found it but thinking it's not what I thought, not enough for me, i dont know...

yeah except one tiny problem the bulletin very clear about this
only ONE attempt allowed. If anybody else tried before then you are f...d even when you strickly following the bulletin
I still avoding those cars

[p1et]

Sorry but this makes me crazy even more as I completely dont understand that service note.

Im looking for something which tell us how to stick to correct procedure and this above information tells us what? That in both cases the BCM need to be replaced which is bullshit because as we know, people are working with those cars and making keys, being lucky or not.

I think there must be some other bulletin, service info regarding programming additional keys.

[turismou]

It makes me sweat when I think of the number of cars I could have fu*ked up over years. Its pure luck none got messed up by me and there were many Xtrails and Qashqais. I don`t do them anymore. There is more money to be made elsewhere and this job is more like a hobby to me even though I know quite a lot now...

[p1et]

The knowledge is sometimes a curse.

Many people have no clue about any risk dealing with those cars or Renault cars after 2015. And they just dont stress, treat it like something very easy while things might got really messy. And here we are, people with some further knowledge, aware of risks which are going nuts to even think about trying to program such Qashqai.

Recently I rejected Qashqai 2014 keyless spare key inquiry. Probably my competition take such job without any knowledge what might happen but also probably they just collect money and im the 'stupid one'. I inform customer about the risk, Im sure they think im talking bullshit. But I think that you can do it 9 out of 10 perfectly and the one which will fck up will kick your ass to the point you will no longer want to even hear Nissan name.

Im rejecting these, until I will have full knowledge how to do them securely. For this time, the thing with locking ESL is a good direction to look for, but as revealed, sh1t also might happen.

[rapidlocksmiths]

ive done a few of these now , by following guidelines below for spares , battery support on

if spare before starting i remove battery from key and test the emergency start is working if not i abort then replace battery

start by ensuring steering is locked , program just the original key on its own once only , come out of system and make sure steering locks on exiting if all is well then proceed to ensure steering is locked and go back in and program original then new key , if any issues when coding the original on its own then stop , dont try again , do a hard battery reset and all should be fine and abort

so far this has worked for me , so far !

on all keys lost battery support , then ensure steering is locked , then code the new key

so far this has worked for me , however my bum is twitching throughout as im not convinced its 100%

the one thing that remains the same is that we are on our own , the risk is entirely our own .

be careful of the ones where you have quoted for the job and they come back a few days later , as has been said there are so many messers undercutting with no system knowledge that are bricking these and walking away , you get a call a few days to a week later this may well be the case , not so bad if spare as you know its bricked if original no longer works , when AKL you dont know and customer unlikely to volunteer the info .

[askkey]

yeah except one tiny problem the bulletin very clear about this
only ONE attempt allowed. If anybody else tried before then you are f...d even when you strickly following the bulletin
I still avoding those cars

They mention affected range of modules, so they are aware of the issues.

At no point did they mention how to check if an attempt was made. I doubt they have a parameter in the BCM that tells you. It appears to be based purely on luck, and if you are unlucky then Nissan cashes in a new module.

I personally avoid these since no amount of money is worth the stress of having an angry customer breathing down your neck. And if I can't fix it myself if it goes bad then it is not a job for me.


And as p1et (https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/member.php/394280-p1et) said, if you try to explain the risk beforehand you sound like you don't know what you are taling about, or worse like a fraud.

[newone]

does anyone knows if this affect also nv200 same years range?

[Spiritech]

does anyone knows if this affect also nv200 same years range?

The NV200/Pathfinder/Altima platform which uses a 46 based key rather than the HITAG AES key doesn't suffer from this issue as far as I know. It's unique to the 4A/HITAG AES platform.

[rapidlocksmiths]

nv200 is fine , never had an issue

[fred77]

Nissan Bulletins
I-KEY REGISTRATION CAUTION
976749

And also separate issue
PREVIOUSLY REGISTERED I-KEY WILL NOLONGER REGISTER
976750




Maybe worth 1st doing a battery reset Martin/Jodge, in attempt to ensure 1st programming attempt.

Expect half these issues are folk not using battery support but the 'wiggle' steering lock interesting advice ensure operating


We can become confident like Tel200 (our Terry?) and Spiritech :)

[Spiritech]

I actually refused a job based on the ESL not functioning fully a couple weeks ago. It only locked about half way out so didn't take the risk.

[HeXeN]

I actually refused a job based on the ESL not functioning fully a couple weeks ago. It only locked about half way out so didn't take the risk.
Install emulator.

[mjoesen]

[QUOTE=fred77;4588855]Nissan Bulletins
I-KEY REGISTRATION CAUTION
976749

And also separate issue
PREVIOUSLY REGISTERED I-KEY WILL NOLONGER REGISTER
976750



Thank you very much for the documents. If you do those cars in a AKL situation. How do you then release the Steering Lock in #3?

[HeXeN]

[QUOTE=fred77;4588855]Nissan Bulletins
I-KEY REGISTRATION CAUTION
976749

And also separate issue
PREVIOUSLY REGISTERED I-KEY WILL NOLONGER REGISTER
976750



Thank you very much for the documents. If you do those cars in a AKL situation. How do you then release the Steering Lock in #3?

Tool has this function.

[Spiritech]

[QUOTE=mjoesen;4590752]

Tool has this function.

I think mate you're a bit confused about what platform we're talking about here. This is the 4A proximity key platform from the T32 X-Trail and J11 Qashqai, there is no function in any tool I've used to release the steering lock without a valid key as this simply isn't required unlike the earlier X-Trail T31 and J10 Qashqai ID46 Intelli Key systems.

Installing an emulator will not solve the problem of the steering lock not engaging fully and possibly causing issues with key learning. The tools don't release the steering lock during programming, the car does that during the registration mode. Remembering that once you pass security and open a registration mode in almost any Nissan other than the latest models which are more Renault than Nissan, you could throw your diagnostic tool down the street and still complete the procedure as it's done as far as the tool is concerned. Nor is it required like the earlier systems to release the steering lock diagnostically for comms to proceed with the key learning.

These issues we're discussing here are not to do with the earlier intelli key knob start systems, or even the slot and start stop button proximity systems that followed, ONLY the 4A proximity on T32 X-Trail and J11 Qashqai. The fact is if the vehicle does not see the correct messages from the steering lock during the registration procedure it may fail, taking the steering lock and BCM with it. My theory is that this is solely down to the steering lock as I've never had a failure when I've checked the function of the steering lock before proceeding with registration spare or lost all keys.

If you have information that we haven't yet discussed here it might be helpful to share it rather than simply posting 2-4 word instructions which may not apply to this platform.

[p1et]

Okay let me ask 1 thing now:

Let's go back to this infamous thread when sh1t happened to our reputable member @assfour.

https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/716329-Rogue-nissan-2014-help-appreciated-if-someone-has-a-clue/page6

He said the car doesn't have ESL do what's then? How ti register keys in that system if there was no ESL? Please someone explain me. That thread is a bit forbidden but it's good opportunity to add on to duscission here.

[Spiritech]

Okay let me ask 1 thing now:

Let's go back to this infamous thread when sh1t happened to our reputable member @assfour.

https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/716329-Rogue-nissan-2014-help-appreciated-if-someone-has-a-clue/page6

He said the car doesn't have ESL do what's then? How ti register keys in that system if there was no ESL? Please someone explain me. That thread is a bit forbidden but it's good opportunity to add on to duscission here.

I've never seen a T32/J11 platform vehicle without ESL in the hundred+ of vehicles I've made keys for. That said it's possible outside my Australian market the ESL is omitted but I highly doubt it.

I've seen a few of these vehicles with the ESL not functioning but the car running just fine. I've also seen a few with the ESL failed and the car not running. I've programmed new steering locks for those not running without issue. Those with emulators or non/partially functioning steering locks I've refused key programming knowing that unless the steering is locked at the time of the registration session opening it may fail and cause a cascading failure of other modules.

All that said I'm really willing to be proved wrong. I provided a video of myself programming a 'banned' part number perfectly safely. I think the ESL is only checked properly during a registration session which is in line with what we see on the earlier systems.

[p1et]

I do believe everything but what makes me wonder, how on earth all the tool manufacturers did not make conclusion about this and isntead of that, giving us well known blacklist which constantly add new BCM numbers which I also understand because when the time is going on, the more steering lock issues so more blaclist BCMs ...

I've seen on Smart Pro screen that it gives instruction to open and close door to engage sterring lock and to ensure if it's engaged. But still warned about BCM number which was on the list. Not sure if this instruction of making sure that ESL is locked was added quite recently or maybe it was already for a long time, I have SP for almost a year and it's a backup tool and nor many nissan customers here (thank god) but it really makes me wonder, those cars are almost 10 year old now and if blacklist doesnt exist, how come through 10 years they all think it is.

Generally speaking: fck Nissan for such stupidity of creating such system which corrupt when you not meet some condition, in this case if ESL will not be locked = car bricked. What a genius implemented that? Normally it should just can't get past security to start of procedure and say 'failed' and we should be able to just try again, keys should be still stored, something like old Renault Laguna 2. IF there is problem with steering lock, you won't be able to program card but nothing happens, card still in system. That is something unbelievable for me.

[arosta]

Generally speaking: fck Nissan for such stupidity of creating such system which corrupt when you not meet some condition, in this case if ESL will not be locked = car bricked. What a genius implemented that? Normally it should just can't get past security to start of procedure and say 'failed' and we should be able to just try again, keys should be still stored, something like old Renault Laguna 2. IF there is problem with steering lock, you won't be able to program card but nothing happens, card still in system. That is something unbelievable for me.

Yeah for us stupid, but for them its $$$$ and probably the best solution to fight with 3rd party garage xD Hopefully someone else will not go in the same road xD Can you imagine next VW or PSA security with autodestructed BCMs when you plug in 3rd party obd diag? Thats gold for them..
Why Renault after very weak / faulty cards in 2001-2008 didnt update cards for non damaging one? Still we had big coli on 3 legs which is easy to desold by itself. Becouse of $$$ for adding new ones. Too bad they crack them very fast, in other way they should be rich as hell now:D And i know Nissan didnt done it on purpose, but next time? Who knows... xD

[fred77]

I do believe everything but what makes me wonder, how on earth all the tool manufacturers did not make conclusion about this and isntead of that, giving us well known blacklist which constantly add new BCM numbers which I also understand because when the time is going on, the more steering lock issues so more blaclist BCMs ...

I've seen on Smart Pro screen that it gives instruction to open and close door to engage sterring lock and to ensure if it's engaged. But still warned about BCM number which was on the list. Not sure if this instruction of making sure that ESL is locked was added quite recently or maybe it was already for a long time, I have SP for almost a year and it's a backup tool and nor many nissan customers here (thank god) but it really makes me wonder, those cars are almost 10 year old now and if blacklist doesnt exist, how come through 10 years they all think it is.

Generally speaking: fck Nissan for such stupidity of creating such system which corrupt when you not meet some condition, in this case if ESL will not be locked = car bricked. What a genius implemented that? Normally it should just can't get past security to start of procedure and say 'failed' and we should be able to just try again, keys should be still stored, something like old Renault Laguna 2. IF there is problem with steering lock, you won't be able to program card but nothing happens, card still in system. That is something unbelievable for me.


Those 'banned' BCMs refer to different software - and reasonable assumption an ESL check 'more likely' fatal on a fault or low-voltage situation.
Makes so much sense now that Bulletin stating stable voltage and pre-ESL check.

'banned' is daft wording and expect with proper precautions = no issues (well less of!)


-------
glad your sorting out that juke mate hope goes ok

[turismou]

Had Qashkai 2019 today. I checked if key is recognizable by KD before programming. I also checked if ESL is working properly. Programming went smooth, but then again, this is not blacklisted BCM if that even means anything (as we also consider fauly ESL dangerous now)
Tool used was OBDSTAR X300 pro4, I suggest you people not to update it. The GUI was changed recently and now it is very awful and confusing...

[didi_du_93000]

Hello, today i kill an qashqai 2015.

Come to me for add an ikey.

I have use lonsdor.

ESL is locked battery power ON.

I can't learn key.

Car don't start anymore.

BCM is risky sn. 284B1-4CB3A

I have comunication with BCM and DTC is:

B27DD-00 BCM-S/L ID DISCORD (Body control module - steering lock unit identification discord) - When BCM detects that the ID verification result of the steeling lock unit is NG.


Do you think i have briked BCM?
Or maybe i have some luck and problem is different from yours?

I have also message on dash "System key ERROR"

i see this PDF.

[Spiritech]

Hello, today i kill an qashqai 2015.

Come to me for add an ikey.

I have use lonsdor.

ESL is locked battery power ON.

I can't learn key.

Car don't start anymore.

BCM is risky sn. 284B1-4CB3A

I have comunication with BCM and DTC is:

B27DD-00 BCM-S/L ID DISCORD (Body control module - steering lock unit identification discord) - When BCM detects that the ID verification result of the steeling lock unit is NG.


Do you think i have briked BCM?
Or maybe i have some luck and problem is different from yours?

I have also message on dash "System key ERROR"

i see this PDF.

How many flashes do you get at the immo light when attempting a key learn?

Also I wouldn't trust Lonsdor for anything other than the most simple of procedures, it's really cheap tool and doesn't have fixes for later model cars.

That said, your car is not on the 'banned' part number list for any reputable tool such as Smart Pro. But given what has occurred your only course of action now is to replace BCM, ESL, ECU & keys and program with Nissan Consult to solve this now.

[didi_du_93000]

How many flashes do you get at the immo light when attempting a key learn?

Also I wouldn't trust Lonsdor for anything other than the most simple of procedures, it's really cheap tool and doesn't have fixes for later model cars.

That said, your car is not on the 'banned' part number list for any reputable tool such as Smart Pro. But given what has occurred your only course of action now is to replace BCM, ESL, ECU & keys and program with Nissan Consult to solve this now.I have many pibss when I present key on button on learning step.The instrument does not light. As if the key was not detected.

It's not my first Nissan with Lonsdor. If I have never problem with lonsdor why I change it?
Anyone have tested to make in place ESL emulator in place of the original part to check if we can learn key?

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[rapidlocksmiths]

spiratech , i beg to differ , it appears on the naught list for truecode which is an excellent nissan tool thats my go to tool for these , there list includes

284B1-3ZP0A
284B1-4CB0A
284B1-4CB1A
284B1-4CB2A
284B1-4CB3A
284B1-4CB4A
284B1-4CB5A
284B1-4CE1A

not all will brick but everyone at some point has been reported as bricking more than once.

one should always do prechecks on these ,

check sensore on ignition button is working with a tester , or if you have a working key then remove battery and confirm it starts on emergency start .
ensure before programming that the steering lock is in the locked state , if unlocked it will brick it.
this with adequate battery support does minimise the risk alot but does not eradicate it.

as spiratech says , if bricked its the new parts mentioned and dealer tool

[didi_du_93000]

spiratech , i beg to differ , it appears on the naught list for truecode which is an excellent nissan tool thats my go to tool for these , there list includes

284B1-3ZP0A
284B1-4CB0A
284B1-4CB1A
284B1-4CB2A
284B1-4CB3A
284B1-4CB4A
284B1-4CB5A
284B1-4CE1A

not all will brick but everyone at some point has been reported as bricking more than once.

one should always do prechecks on these ,

check sensore on ignition button is working with a tester , or if you have a working key then remove battery and confirm it starts on emergency start .
ensure before programming that the steering lock is in the locked state , if unlocked it will brick it.
this with adequate battery support does minimise the risk alot but does not eradicate it.

as spiratech says , if bricked its the new parts mentioned and dealer toolReally strange. If problem from els why change ecu motor or bcm?
So will have the end story soon. Car go to dealer.

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[jodge]

those are obviously risky cars countless of people struggling with them, why did you guys playing with them anyways?
If you brick a car it's bad for the business you losing money and the owner probably going batshit crazy. Who need this?

[Spiritech]

spiratech , i beg to differ , it appears on the naught list for truecode which is an excellent nissan tool thats my go to tool for these , there list includes

284B1-3ZP0A
284B1-4CB0A
284B1-4CB1A
284B1-4CB2A
284B1-4CB3A
284B1-4CB4A
284B1-4CB5A
284B1-4CE1A

not all will brick but everyone at some point has been reported as bricking more than once.

one should always do prechecks on these ,

check sensore on ignition button is working with a tester , or if you have a working key then remove battery and confirm it starts on emergency start .
ensure before programming that the steering lock is in the locked state , if unlocked it will brick it.
this with adequate battery support does minimise the risk alot but does not eradicate it.

as spiratech says , if bricked its the new parts mentioned and dealer tool

The Smart Pro list is similar, but I can say anecdotally I have never bricked any of these Nissan BCMs even once by ensuring the ESL is locked at the start of the procedure, regardless of the part number.

[rapidlocksmiths]

ensuring the ESL is locked is crucial

[HeXeN]

https://fuse-box.info/nissan/nissan-qashqai-rogue-sport-2014-2022-fuses

have you tried power up ignition/meter/dashboard fuse?
or steering lock unit
try it. then try to connect/add key. maybe this asian piece of s..t is same dumb as suzuki swift.

[fred77]

ensuring the ESL is locked is crucial


assume this is what didi_du_9300 didn't check.

does truecode come up with extra info now?
as recall simple procedure.


Personally experienced Juke steering lock issue but knew no worries she'd come back to life

[rapidlocksmiths]

no extra info on truecode , but he is developing new coverage again.
done a few akl without issue yet

[didi_du_93000]

assume this is what didi_du_9300 didn't check.

does truecode come up with extra info now?
as recall simple procedure.


Personally experienced Juke steering lock issue but knew no worries she'd come back to life

Esl is locked. But when you say "locked". You talk about in lock position or really lock the steering? Because yes it's locked but the steering wheel was in an intermediate position.

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[Spiritech]

Personally, I ensure the ESL is fully locked(steering locked, bolt fully extended) but moving the wheel left and right to ensure it's in one of the locking slots before continuing with the procedure. I additionally attempt to centre it in that slot so it pulls back when requested. This failure appears to be linked to the ESL, and when it fails to retract or send the correct messages at the correct time during the key learn procedure the BCM decides to corrupt itself rather than fail gracefully as it should. This is in stark contrast to the hitag 2 based systems where it just simply does not care if the ESL is locked, unlocked or somewhere between or if there's even an emulator attached.

This may be an issue with Nissan adapting the Renault based platform to their own diagnostics which they could theoretically solve with software updates, but do they really care as it only really occurs during spare key registration or when a car is modified or otherwise not working properly. With new Nissan models(T33 X-Trail etc) being effectively re-branded and re-styled Renault vehicles now I imagine this issue is now just relegated to the 10 years of the T32 X-Trail and the 8ish years of J11 Qashqai.

Anyway I don't refuse these based on part number and never will, I've programmed so many now with 'banned' numbers I've lost count. I inspect the condition of the steering lock, ensuring it is locking fully and properly and that it moves in and out several times with the working key then move to programming. I have seen cars with failing gear shift lever position sensors that fail to lock the ESL all the time, I've seen cars with ESLs that aren't fully extending. And as my theory is that this failure is entirely a result of an ESL not sending the required messages at the needed time whenever I see any issue with the ESL or an emulator fitted I'll bail. But never on part number alone. I've done this in front of people who were scared shitless by the messages on the screen, I've done it on video, I've walked people through it on the telephone.

In the end the diagnostic procedure we are using to learn these keys is the native Nissan procedure, the tools we use just calculate the code in the background for us, present it to the car and open a learn session. At that point you can throw the diagnostic tool out the window as everything is controlled by you presenting the keys correctly at the correct times. Until someone comes up with a method of writing keys direct or flashing the BCM to learn keys an entirely new way this'll be an issue, but as I've said multiple times in my opinion and my anecdotal evidence supports it; this failure is entirely down to process errors or failed parts/emulators fitted to cars, not the part number of the BCM.

[rapidlocksmiths]

perfect explanation

[Manta1600]

Qashqai can go faulty also with locked steering

Today customer call me to add 2nd key on Qashqai 2015

I Started the car to check it and it was OK. I stopped the engine and opened the drivers door to lock the steering and checked that is good locked

Started key programming with the original key but the car refused the key no ignition the steering is still locked

Started again with the new key the car accepted the new key IGN come ON the steering opened but wont to switch the IGN Off - so on the end I disconnected the battery

After battery reset the steering closed and the car started with the new key

I started again to program one more key but now the car refuse all keys that I tried and the steering is locked and the keys are erased

I putted steering emulator but still not possible to program the keys

So the Qashqai can go faulty even with locked steering


No fault codes on the BCM. I used Autel as usual

[vialli]

Is it with BCM from the dangerous list?

[Manta1600]

Is it with BCM from the dangerous list?

Yes but this list is joke all BCM models until 2018 are dangerous and soon or later will be added in this list

[turismou]

Yes but this list is joke all BCM models until 2018 are dangerous and soon or later will be added in this list
This is true.
Also, i was in the same situation like you on a qashkai 2015. The car froze up during learning procedure and was not accepting any key, I removed battery terminal and returned it to reset the car. It fortunately accepted both keys after that. My torso was hurting because of how hard my heart was working... Guys if you are unsure about working on this car, better avoid it. One job not done won't hurt.

[rapidlocksmiths]

Qashqai can go faulty also with locked steering

Today customer call me to add 2nd key on Qashqai 2015

I Started the car to check it and it was OK. I stopped the engine and opened the drivers door to lock the steering and checked that is good locked

Started key programming with the original key but the car refused the key no ignition the steering is still locked

Started again with the new key the car accepted the new key IGN come ON the steering opened but wont to switch the IGN Off - so on the end I disconnected the battery

After battery reset the steering closed and the car started with the new key

I started again to program one more key but now the car refuse all keys that I tried and the steering is locked and the keys are erased

I putted steering emulator but still not possible to program the keys

So the Qashqai can go faulty even with locked steering


No fault codes on the BCM. I used Autel as usual

what i do with these on spare key jobs where there is a working key

1) i remove battery from working key and test the emergency start procedure to ensure ign switch is working
2) if it isnt i replace batter ensure all working and walk away , if it is working on emergency start i apply battery support to vehicle , ensure steering lock is fully locked and program just the original key on its own
3) if key doesnt go back in without issue then battery reset normally brings it back to life and i walk away
4) if original recodes without issue then i ensure steering is fully locked and proceed to code original and new key

thus far ive been lucky and this has worked for me using truecode and abrites , not tried autel.

[fred77]

those are obviously risky cars countless of people struggling with them, why did you guys playing with them anyways?
If you brick a car it's bad for the business you losing money and the owner probably going batshit crazy. Who need this?

true people go crazy esp when only car and drive to work next day


hay i must revisit that movie - we are all meat popsicles!

[Manta1600]

what i do with these on spare key jobs where there is a working key

1) i remove battery from working key and test the emergency start procedure to ensure ign switch is working
2) if it isnt i replace batter ensure all working and walk away , if it is working on emergency start i apply battery support to vehicle , ensure steering lock is fully locked and program just the original key on its own
3) if key doesnt go back in without issue then battery reset normally brings it back to life and i walk away
4) if original recodes without issue then i ensure steering is fully locked and proceed to code original and new key

thus far ive been lucky and this has worked for me using truecode and abrites , not tried autel.

Rapid I programmed more than 50 cars like this and had a similar problem with Truecode

this was more than year ago when I still used Truecode on them - the car stuck on ign ON but after battery reset I programmed both keys

Maybe on the future I will not do second attempt after battery reset

[rapidlocksmiths]

any tool can throw up this issue , thus why i check by coding just the original key first on its own .

I do charge well for these jobs , as its likely you will at some point get your backside bitten by one , so if the case charging an extra charge on these hopefully covers the odd one that wont play nice.

its a personal decision , we know the risks so we choose to take the risk or to refuse the job , no right or wrong choice , but if choosing to take risk then charge well to cover future nasty one.

[Manta1600]

any tool can throw up this issue , thus why i check by coding just the original key first on its own .

I do charge well for these jobs , as its likely you will at some point get your backside bitten by one , so if the case charging an extra charge on these hopefully covers the odd one that wont play nice.

its a personal decision , we know the risks so we choose to take the risk or to refuse the job , no right or wrong choice , but if choosing to take risk then charge well to cover future nasty one.


I think that this car is still alive just the steering lock is faulty


In the past I saw few faulty cars from auctions and all of them had message on the dash "Ikey faulty" - No message on this one - No faults on the BCM


The problem is that at the moment I can't program the key


and without programmed key the emulator can't start the car


So I will try to repair the steering to program the key and after that will put emulator

[Spiritech]

Emulator probably doesn't know the correct signalling for the key learn procedure. The steering locks themselves aren't too expensive or hard to replace. I keep one on the shelf for when I see dying ones. If you're still getting the beep from the dash saying security access completed when you open the procedure you still have a working BCM I think, can't hurt to try replacing that steering lock.

Did another 2015 X-Trail with a 'bad' part number from the SP list again just today. No issues whatsoever.

[Manta1600]

Emulator probably doesn't know the correct signalling for the key learn procedure. The steering locks themselves aren't too expensive or hard to replace. I keep one on the shelf for when I see dying ones. If you're still getting the beep from the dash saying security access completed when you open the procedure you still have a working BCM I think, can't hurt to try replacing that steering lock.

Did another 2015 X-Trail with a 'bad' part number from the SP list again just today. No issues whatsoever.

Yes I have beep and I'm sure that BCM is OK

The problem is that I think that is not possible to program new steering if I don't have working key

if was possible then the emulator will work

So the only way is to repair the steering lock

What memory is inside the steering ? maybe is possible to be cloned

[Manta1600]

The chip inside is mc9s12ga64 and looks like only Elnec can read and write

so maybe is better just to transfer the chip on the other steering lock

[Spiritech]

Yes I have beep and I'm sure that BCM is OK

The problem is that I think that is not possible to program new steering if I don't have working key

if was possible then the emulator will work

So the only way is to repair the steering lock

What memory is inside the steering ? maybe is possible to be cloned


As I understand how these work is the key learning function will learn a new steering lock just like the earlier HITAG 2 based cars. Replace the ESL, run the learning function and it should learn the new keys and the ESL during the session.

[didi_du_93000]

A'yone try to reset esl second hand?
I see avdi do it.

New steering lock is 200euros.

Its exactly same than megane 4.

Renault sell it for 450euros.

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[Manta1600]

As I understand how these work is the key learning function will learn a new steering lock just like the earlier HITAG 2 based cars. Replace the ESL, run the learning function and it should learn the new keys and the ESL during the session.


Just checked new steering lock is 121 pounds

I ordered second hand from ebay to swap the chip if is not successful will buy new one

[p1et]

What happen when we have running car and there is already steering lock emulator installed and there is need to program keys? Is it possible to register keys then or car becomes non runner?

[Manta1600]

What happen when we have running car and there is already steering lock emulator installed and there is need to program keys? Is it possible to register keys then or car becomes non runner?

If the car is running with emulator I think that will be OK to add key - If was not possible a lot of threads must have about this

but if the steering is faulty and you start programming you will erase the keys and after that you can't put emulator to program them back

[kostin]

What about T33 platform vehicle (Nissan X-Trail IV) programming keys is a risk?

[Spiritech]

What about T33 platform vehicle (Nissan X-Trail IV) programming keys is a risk?

T33 is an entirely Renault based system, not some mental hybrid of Nissan and Renault like the T32 and J11. It has none of these issues.

[didi_du_93000]

I have tested to learn keys with emulator in place of ori esl. Not working. I'm talking about key learn after crash bcm/esl.

Anyone have Dtc from bcm after crash?
I have this Dtc.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240125/19db443c11b692d8cc1743834bbba32a.jpg

[Manta1600]

No DTC on my one

no message - Faulty Ikey on the dash

[HeXeN]

The chip inside is mc9s12ga64 and looks like only Elnec can read and write

so maybe is better just to transfer the chip on the other steering lock
vvdi prog has it on list

edit: we can ask support to add secured mc9s12ga64

[Manta1600]

vvdi prog has it on list

Only unsecured but this one must be secured

The customer called "electrician" that was able to switch the ign ON and told him that the BCM lost 20 digit code and must replace the BCM

I don't believe that this was electrician lets to see how will finish this

[fred77]

If the car is running with emulator I think that will be OK to add key - If was not possible a lot of threads must have about this

but if the steering is faulty and you start programming you will erase the keys and after that you can't put emulator to program them back


not seen one yet
personally i'd run a mile as spirt said the emulator prob dumb regarding programming

[Spiritech]

Only unsecured but this one must be secured

The customer called "electrician" that was able to switch the ign ON and told him that the BCM lost 20 digit code and must replace the BCM

I don't believe that this was electrician lets to see how will finish this

That guy doesn't know shit, the beep you get from the dash at the start of the procedure is the security access success. Can't have a successful security access with no challenge code.

[fred77]

That guy doesn't know shit, the beep you get from the dash at the start of the procedure is the security access success. Can't have a successful security access with no challenge code.


knowing trade, guy blamed last person who worked on car.
charged customer for bull ?

[Manta1600]

That guy doesn't know shit, the beep you get from the dash at the start of the procedure is the security access success. Can't have a successful security access with no challenge code.

never faced electrician that know what system use Qashqai

so maybe he is right and now the car need new BCM :)

[ovitanov]

I thng it is better to add to your list:
4BA0A
4BA0B
4BY1A
4CB4C

[Manta1600]

Today I tried to program brand new ESL with Autel without success

Next step is new BCM

Checked on other Qashqai when do Immo scan with ign Off there is icons for BCM and Dash and both showed green

On this one I have icon only on BCM that is green but no icon for the dash - when I go on diagnostic there is connection to the dash

[Manta1600]

I received the new BCM but the customer told me that the electican started the car

so now I have one new and hope that is not VIN coded and I can use it in future for other car

[didi_du_93000]

I received the new BCM but the customer told me that the electican started the car

so now I have one new and hope that is not VIN coded and I can use it in future for other car
what did he do to start the car?

[Manta1600]

what did he do to start the car?

I don't know

[fred77]

I don't know


You've got us on knifes edge it's worth calling guy to find out
He can't be cleaver than all us here


Also how did it go wrong in 1st place?
Did you have battery backup? Did you follow Rapid Locksmiths recommendation of coding just original key 1st?

Cheers

[Manta1600]

You've got us on knifes edge it's worth calling guy to find out
He can't be cleaver than all us here


Also how did it go wrong in 1st place?
Did you have battery backup? Did you follow Rapid Locksmiths recommendation of coding just original key 1st?

Cheers

read my first post about this car

I was sure that this BCM was not faulty

there was other problem and looks like he found it

I suspected faulty start button or faulty dash

Anyway now I have new BCM and steering lock

[fred77]

Thought I killed one - turns out I'm a little slow and left car with zero keys.


Battery disconnect did nothing so wonder on the wisdom people say here.
(Like to think would work!)

Change of underwear later

[rapidlocksmiths]

its the risk you take if wanting to do one , touch wood been lucky so far , but you know you will at some point get one that doesnt play.

[joker01]

I reread the whole post......they called me about a j11 akl.....I have some doubts.....how do I check the steering lock without a working key???? it fits when the door is opened/closed driver???

[autoTkey]

When AKL it does not matter much - they will have to change the electronics inside the car anyway. You just will give them a small hope that it could work out without replacing the modules.

[didi_du_93000]

For me Nissan dealer have changed bcm and esl.
Car always don't start. [emoji36]
They say me impossible to finish the coding of the bcm.
Some problem on car affect the programing/coding.

[didi_du_93000]

With new bcm and elv I have this Dtc.

B27DD-00 BCM - ID INCOMP V/V

Remote don't work. I can make ign On but no crank.

[joker01]

"steering not completely locked" means that the operation must be checked and that it is free to lock and unlock correctly???
during the procedure however the steering wheel and therefore the steering lock must be locked right???

[Spiritech]

"steering not completely locked" means that the operation must be checked and that it is free to lock and unlock correctly???
during the procedure however the steering wheel and therefore the steering lock must be locked right???


Steering must be completely locked at the start of the procedure, but you also must ensure it doesn't have excessive pressure on it from the wheel so it can retract during the learning of key #1. If you are doing a spare key always check for a reliable steering lock function.

[fred77]

When AKL it does not matter much - they will have to change the electronics inside the car anyway. You just will give them a small hope that it could work out without replacing the modules.


true, worth getting customer to sign something otherwise be round your house knocking down door!

especially as these car are getting older now folk won't wanta pay and instead start blame game

[vov4ik]

Reading through those horror stories I tend to stick to @Spiritech on this. Just made a spare key for 2016 Rogue with 284B1-4CE1A, the keydiy fob I paired was defective (one button did not function) so made an autel fob, learned both times with no issues or consequences. The only issues I've faced so far is having an aftermarket remote-starter installed which is tapped into the wiring and hinders learning, so have to actually check if car starts with no battery in the key by tap (or slot for older vehicles), and I tend to let it run for 3-5 min just to top off the battery and avoid using battery support. AKL cars usually do need battery support and lithium booster provides for enough time to finish the job.
Scarry to read though. Having a limited-liability document to sign for those cars is a good idea though.

[fred77]

Reading through those horror stories I tend to stick to @Spiritech on this. Just made a spare key for 2016 Rogue with 284B1-4CE1A, the keydiy fob I paired was defective (one button did not function) so made an autel fob, learned both times with no issues or consequences. The only issues I've faced so far is having an aftermarket remote-starter installed which is tapped into the wiring and hinders learning, so have to actually check if car starts with no battery in the key by tap (or slot for older vehicles), and I tend to let it run for 3-5 min just to top off the battery and avoid using battery support. AKL cars usually do need battery support and lithium booster provides for enough time to finish the job.
Scarry to read though. Having a limited-liability document to sign for those cars is a good idea though.


You need >13V ideally

If your lithium booster is like mine it also switches so doesn't provide a stable voltage and has a tendency to suddenly stop.
Ie there purpose is to start the car.

Saying that we've all thrown the booster on for speed -


yeah document warning customer and handling such fails may make situation a little easier

[vov4ik]

You need >13V ideally

If your lithium booster is like mine it also switches so doesn't provide a stable voltage and has a tendency to suddenly stop.
Ie there purpose is to start the car.

Saying that we've all thrown the booster on for speed -


yeah document warning customer and handling such fails may make situation a little easier

I use Noco GB70 in forced mode, it provides for 10-15 minutes or so when fully charged. It saves time. Works good on most, except some German and English vehicles. Those actually need 13.5-14v for 20 min or more and drain up to 70amps with ignition on.

We do have a document to sign prior for those cases for a week now, provides for peace of mind.


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[Ecuprog31]

Hello
is there any problem with Nissan Micra 2021 remote flip key adding ?( not keyless )

[newone]

problem only with keyless

[didi_du_93000]

Is it possible Nissan dealer have make shit on my car?

They have changed bcm and esl and car always don't start.

I have always error from esl Id.

All part is original and programed is Nissan shop.

[p1et]

Maybe it's not enough. I read many times need BCM, ELV and ECU. Well all this is so fcked up. Because I know some stories when only BCM was enough. Stupid Nissan

[didi_du_93000]

Maybe it's not enough. I read many times need BCM, ELV and ECU. Well all this is so fcked up. Because I know some stories when only BCM was enough. Stupid NissanI think 'Nissan don't know what they make.
If I can learn myself bcm and keys without risk I don't talk this shit of dealer.

[fred77]

Steering must be completely locked at the start of the procedure, but you also must ensure it doesn't have excessive pressure on it from the wheel so it can retract during the learning of key #1. If you are doing a spare key always check for a reliable steering lock function.


Indeed this is coved in main-dealer bulletin i shared in post long time ago

[Kostazzz]

what i do with these on spare key jobs where there is a working key

1) i remove battery from working key and test the emergency start procedure to ensure ign switch is working


I have Nissan Qashqai j11 2014 with dangerous BCM and emergency start does not work. What is the reason?

[vov4ik]

I have Nissan Qashqai j11 2014 with dangerous BCM and emergency start does not work. What is the reason?
I would do power reset or look for remote starter install

[Kostazzz]

I would do power reset or look for remote starter install
Yes, car alarm installed with remote start option.

[vov4ik]

Yes, car alarm installed with remote start option.

When they install remote start, they tend (most I’ve seen) to cut factory antenna wiring and tap into a bunch of places, to emulate “valid key in ignition”. All that have to be restored to original to regain emergency start functionality and only then key learning will have a chance to succeed. If you would attempt it now the car will not learn any keys and will stay at where it is until fixed.


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[Weasel3]

Good to be back, logged in again.
(However been here all the time, every day. But not logged in (because of some login problems - PC related).

I would think there would be a market for a bench kit solution.
Like BMW, MB - Kessy cayenne/Toua bench kit.

Someone, should develop a kit.
And at the same time.
Do a research, how to make these modules play together again.
Firmware upgrade/downgrade. - Reset - Virgin - synch - Add new ECU

Maybe ELV emu -ON/Off (Test environment).
Antenna keyless module - start button
Synch BCM against ECU

Develop a unique software.
Or just implement, in whats there already.

I think this would be much appreciated, probably also by dealers.
Since I know, they also have these problems.
And also all other workshops around the world.

Would be a hole lot of money saved, for customers and other parts involved.
Warranty etc.

[p1et]

Would be better if noone buy those crap cars and no more Nissan on the road lol

[szengen]

life would become boring :stoned:

[Spiritech]

Would be better if noone buy those crap cars and no more Nissan on the road lol

Well the good and bad news is the model(s) in question only lasted less than 10 years, and they've been replaced with entirely renault based platforms.

[avital]

Good to be back, logged in again.
(However been here all the time, every day. But not logged in (because of some login problems - PC related).

I would think there would be a market for a bench kit solution.
Like BMW, MB - Kessy cayenne/Toua bench kit.

Someone, should develop a kit.
And at the same time.
Do a research, how to make these modules play together again.
Firmware upgrade/downgrade. - Reset - Virgin - synch - Add new ECU

Maybe ELV emu -ON/Off (Test environment).
Antenna keyless module - start button
Synch BCM against ECU

Develop a unique software.
Or just implement, in whats there already.

I think this would be much appreciated, probably also by dealers.
Since I know, they also have these problems.
And also all other workshops around the world.

Would be a hole lot of money saved, for customers and other parts involved.
Warranty etc.

I have fitted probably a hundred emulators to cars with a defective BCM by locksmiths in many European markets, and no customer has ever minded having an emulator instead of a key.

Building a platform is of course possible, but in practice the locksmith customer always chose the emulator over repairing the original BCM - because of the price.

[fred77]

I have fitted probably a hundred emulators to cars with a defective BCM by locksmiths in many European markets, and no customer has ever minded having an emulator instead of a key.

Building a platform is of course possible, but in practice the locksmith customer always chose the emulator over repairing the original BCM - because of the price.


didn't think BCM can be repaired - as that's why so complicated/expensive


but if your saying steering lock emulator solves this issue then great

[SAMDoctor]

I have read this thread, but it seems the fix for these cars is still unclear.

I have now a J11 with 0 key in the BCM, original intelligent fob and a DTC regarding some ID issues with the steering lock. It seems I have to bite the bullet and get a new BCM.

DTC is B27DD:00 BCM - S/L ID Discord

New steering lock ordered from the dealer, as first step, but it looks I might need a BCM.

Do you know if NERS II can program a BCM or I need to find someone with ConsultIII?

[fred77]

Would be better if noone buy those crap cars and no more Nissan on the road lol


Along with VW and Merc

[fred77]

I have read this thread, but it seems the fix for these cars is still unclear.

I have now a J11 with 0 key in the BCM, original intelligent fob and a DTC regarding some ID issues with the steering lock. It seems I have to bite the bullet and get a new BCM.

DTC is B27DD:00 BCM - S/L ID Discord

Nes steering lock ordered from the dealer, as first step, but it looks I might need a BCM.

Do you know if NERS II can program a BCM or I need to find someone with ConsultIII?

use passthro service mate like osca

last week saved my bacon on BMW Autohex couldn't fix

[Manta1600]

use passthro service mate like osca

last week saved my bacon on BMW Autohex couldn't fix

Osca can't help with the old parts he need new BCM and new Steering lock

[p1et]

Along with VW and Merc

What can go wrong with Mercedes key programming?

[SAMDoctor]

I have read this thread, but it seems the fix for these cars is still unclear.

I have now a J11 with 0 key in the BCM, original intelligent fob and a DTC regarding some ID issues with the steering lock. It seems I have to bite the bullet and get a new BCM.

DTC is B27DD:00 BCM - S/L ID Discord

New steering lock ordered from the dealer, as first step, but it looks I might need a BCM.

Do you know if NERS II can program a BCM or I need to find someone with ConsultIII?

Car is now running.

BCM is 284B2-4CB5A. I tried programming the original key again, but it didn't want to accept it. It beeped when entering the key programming mode but the car didn't want to register that key again. Programmed two blank keys and the car is running perfectly. Weird, but I am relieved it didn't need a new ESL or BCM.

[p1et]

Thats nice but what actually caused that you had 0 keys in BCM before?

[SAMDoctor]

The original key not being able to be reprogrammed back to the car :/ A Nissan mystery.

[Manta1600]

Car is now running.

BCM is 284B2-4CB5A. I tried programming the original key again, but it didn't want to accept it. It beeped when entering the key programming mode but the car didn't want to register that key again. Programmed two blank keys and the car is running perfectly. Weird, but I am relieved it didn't need a new ESL or BCM.

So in your case the steering lock and the BCM was not faulty

You just had faulty key

[SAMDoctor]

So in your case the steering lock and the BCM was not faulty

You just had faulty key

Guess so, but the key was initially working... anyway, glad is done.

[Manta1600]

Very strange that exist one more dangerous Nissan and no special thread for that

Juke with 1.5d engine with remote key 2010 onward use 12 digit system not 4 digit - Tools like Autel kill them straightaway

in this forum can find more threads about faulty Juke like this than Qashqai but all looks after Qashqai

[p1et]

Very strange that exist one more dangerous Nissan and no special thread for that

Juke with 1.5d engine with remote key 2010 onward use 12 digit system not 4 digit - Tools like Autel kill them straightaway

in this forum can find more threads about faulty Juke like this than Qashqai but all looks after Qashqai

As far as I know, tools don't kill this car, just struggle to enter correct system. They are able to login and delete keys but somehow are not able to register

There is one thread here where user had this problem but finally obdstar was able to enter correct system and program successfully. Generally speaking, if you think its bricked, programming with Consult or Launch should br life saver.

[doolittle]

Very strange that exist one more dangerous Nissan and no special thread for that

Juke with 1.5d engine with remote key 2010 onward use 12 digit system not 4 digit - Tools like Autel kill them straightaway

in this forum can find more threads about faulty Juke like this than Qashqai but all looks after Qashqai

yes while Autel my struggle it doesn’t kill jukes.

Iv lift cars to dealers after and they can program no problem

[Manta1600]

yes while Autel my struggle it doesn’t kill jukes.

Iv lift cars to dealers after and they can program no problem

If you can't program key after Autel with any other aftermarket tool for sure the car is killed

I don't care for solutions that involve the main dealer