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davorOS
15th May, 2021, 07:48 AM
We try to add card on 2017 clio IV with R.E.T but after press enable pin R.E.T failed on STEP 5 and now HFM module is virgin without card but I can't get ISK or PIN it is erased
followed instruction with battery reset but no result
is it possible to read 32 digit ISK from other module or with some other tool_
I try AVDI but it can't read PIN as well also I read ecu EDC17 c84 but wound ISK that is12 digit
can we convert 12 digit code to 32 maybe
ecu pin is BE3BF2C7B513
Regards
Catalizator
15th May, 2021, 09:00 AM
before programming the card, you make an identification where the pin is read. haven't you saved? try to contact the developer and send him the log file. there may be a pin in it. good luck
davorOS
15th May, 2021, 09:40 AM
yes I try that first it not first clio I did
but PIN is not read as it is 2017 and pin reading had to be enabled first so when I try to enable pin RET made HFM virgin but couldn't read code
I try to send log but no reply as usual
TERMINATOR1000
15th May, 2021, 09:44 AM
Amen !
Just go to Renault main dealer , he's the only way , online HFM coding !
R.E.T never fail for me after hundred of 2016+cars , only Renolink made this joke to his users
France price is under 120€ without card , 400€ if you add cards , don't lose your time to seach full PIN code , only Renault.net + token can provide it !
davorOS
15th May, 2021, 10:35 AM
I made oround 50 clio IV cards most with RET and some with avdi
but never had problems same as Captur but there is allways first time
I have four Clio IV booked for next monday so not sure what tool to use anymore
car i snow at dealer so will see about income
regards
p1et
15th May, 2021, 03:51 PM
I have four Clio IV booked for next monday so not sure what tool to use anymore
regards
Best and safest method is remove HFM, read on table and then program with avdi.
Remove HFM take 1 minute, reading dump 15 minutes if you 100% focus, rest is 5 min so whole job take might take 30 min
Dealer should reprogram your HFM on just a minutes, for a silly price (maybe 50 euro). I mean should, becaus when it happened to me when nobody had a clue and no info on any forum, my dealer couldnt do this for 3 weeks!!! Good luck
davorOS
15th May, 2021, 05:24 PM
hi
what do you use to read HFM?
I try VVDI prog and couldn't read
hollanda
15th May, 2021, 07:52 PM
Vvdi prog can read!
dont select Others->Renault->HFM
but go direct to the mcu and select the right type and read
rob h
15th May, 2021, 08:26 PM
i used upa and vvdiprog, and orange5clone.
All with different pinouts.
Mind your settings, baudrate etc.
Orange5 swaps rx tx
Upa for instance, uncheck stop on error.
vvdiprog http://blog.vvdishop.com/connect-vvdi-prog-to-renault-clio-iv-hfm-d07f3633/
Anyway, they all can do it
RET does have a few options:
pin from hfm dump
reset hfm to virgin
learn hfm, at least one card, belonging to the car, must be available!
Never used these RET options myself, and if they help in this case.
momogsm
16th May, 2021, 12:55 AM
Hi
With AVDI And R.E.T And Blank KEYS, You Can Solve Your Problem, By Following This Method:
First Of All, You Need To Read The HFM Via VVDI PROG, Then Find A Full Dump For Your HFM ( NOT VIRGIN ), Then Write It,
Then, With AVDI Online, Or Normal AVDI Commander, You Will Proceed As All Key Lost, Like This AVDI Will Get ISK And Pin Code And Program Key Card,
We Return Now To R.E.T, You Go HFM And You Change Vin, The Go To ESCL Section, And Clear Immo Code, Then Return To Learn ESCL To The HFM,
Now The Car Will Get Ignition, But Of Course No Start, Then Now, You Read ECU Dump, You Virgin Eeprom With R.E.T, You Write Back Virgin Eeprom To Ecu,
Finally, Plug Back Ecu To Car, Again With R.E.T, Learn Virgin ECM To Car, Clear All DTC, And Start Your Car.
By This Method You Will Like Make A New Kit For The Car, If You Want Contact Me I Can Assist Via Teamviewer.
Good Luck
TERMINATOR1000
16th May, 2021, 09:37 AM
never do this , simply go to main dealer , say battery drain & car not start , it's an common problem ...
under 120€ car is repair !
lion0304
16th May, 2021, 10:29 AM
never do this , simply go to main dealer , say battery drain & car not start , it's an common problem ...
under 120€ car is repair !
Yeah for this case, dealer is the best and smart choice.
rob h
16th May, 2021, 11:42 AM
Thank you Monogsm,
Great explanation off how the Renault immo system works.
It would requier having Avdi. Or can we do akl, with RET.
Using the donor hfm dump.
And does the hfm allow writing by prog?
I read a few, testing all pinouts and progs i have.
Never tried writing. Is that safe?
Only d-flash?
And reading the crashed hfm, would it still contain data, usefull to restoring the oem data.?
davorOS
16th May, 2021, 12:06 PM
good to know that if something fail
but to much work for just programming HFM
my Car is at dealer that I work for so we will programme it on monday and try
momogsm
16th May, 2021, 01:23 PM
Thank you Monogsm,
Great explanation off how the Renault immo system works.
It would requier having Avdi. Or can we do akl, with RET.
Using the donor hfm dump.
And does the hfm allow writing by prog?
I read a few, testing all pinouts and progs i have.
Never tried writing. Is that safe?
Only d-flash?
And reading the crashed hfm, would it still contain data, usefull to restoring the oem data.?
Hi
It's Not Necessary To Have AVDI To Do All Key Lost In Clio 4, R.E.T, Is Enough, But With AVDI, it's more easier, Specially in online commander, ( OBD Job, And Follow Steps ), But For People Who Have R.E.T Only, Yes It's Possible AKL, It's Will Require A Tronsponder Programmer ( Tango, AVDI... ), And Also HFM Data, Readed By Programmer ( VVDI PROG... ), I Leave In Attachment The Tutorial To How To Proceed.
Also For VVDI PROG Writing, Yest It's Totally Safe, I Made A Lot Of HFM Clone With It, ( Read Write Perfectly)
In This Case Reading The Crashed HFM, Will Contain Virgin HFM Data
Regards
momogsm
16th May, 2021, 01:25 PM
never do this , simply go to main dealer , say battery drain & car not start , it's an common problem ...
under 120€ car is repair !
Hi
Yes Dealer Is Also A Good, But This Is For People Who Can't Access To Dealer, Or They Don't Have Renault Dealer In Their Country/City, Or Simply Who Want To Fix It By Himsel :nurse:
Regards
momogsm
16th May, 2021, 01:28 PM
good to know that if something fail
but to much work for just programming HFM
my Car is at dealer that I work for so we will programme it on monday and try
Hi
Not Too Much Time, It's Just The First Time It's Look Little Hard, But In Reality It's Easy, ( 50% Obd Job, 25% Soldering And Programmer Job, 25% Little Patience )
Regarda
Brat
16th May, 2021, 01:53 PM
To @momogsm ,i have 2 question for you, in RET pdf document show prepare blank card with "Transpoder Crypto Key" 16 bit ,but from video in site "lock50.co.uk" he precode blank card with 16 bit PINCODE.
it is steel work card if precode with programmer from "lock50" with pincode?
and second question,in vvdiprog picture is corect pin connection for HFM? or you have other sheme for pinconect to hfm with vvdiprog?
hollanda
16th May, 2021, 08:12 PM
the vvdi prog have the right pinout. (Check if the hfm the same is because you have different versions)
Only if ypu try to read the chip it dont works.
you need go back to select it manual. And the it works fine!
for reading:
809327
PINOUT
809326
momogsm
17th May, 2021, 10:06 AM
To @momogsm ,i have 2 question for you, in RET pdf document show prepare blank card with "Transpoder Crypto Key" 16 bit ,but from video in site "lock50.co.uk" he precode blank card with 16 bit PINCODE.
it is steel work card if precode with programmer from "lock50" with pincode?
and second question,in vvdiprog picture is corect pin connection for HFM? or you have other sheme for pinconect to hfm with vvdiprog?
Hi
For The First Question, Emm, I Really Don't Know, Because I Don't Have Lock50 Tools, And I Never Use It, But We Must Try, It's May Work.
For The Second Question, VVDI PROG HFM Pinout Is Okay, Just For R/W Select The MCU Manually.
Regards
davorOS
17th May, 2021, 10:14 AM
just to confirme
made new one and read HFM with vvdi prog but I had to go by MCU-v850-
not by other -hfm-
godfathertwo
17th May, 2021, 04:10 PM
Also remember smok does read all hfm by obd the module is not expensive if you already have smok.
davorOS
17th May, 2021, 10:27 PM
same as AVDI
Today I tested on one more 2017 with keyless
Avdi need 15 min to read flash and 18 min to write it after that it display PIN but as You don't have file to save I think it is better to read it with programmer and finish by OBD
btw We progaramme first one that had HFM virgin at dealer in a minute,cost me a coffee to manager:single_eye:
momogsm
18th May, 2021, 08:53 AM
same as AVDI
Today I tested on one more 2017 with keyless
Avdi need 15 min to read flash and 18 min to write it after that it display PIN but as You don't have file to save I think it is better to read it with programmer and finish by OBD
btw We progaramme first one that had HFM virgin at dealer in a minute,cost me a coffee to manager:single_eye:
Hi
Yes Exactly, AVDI Proceed Like This When The Car Is 2016+, In Reality The Read Write That Do AVDI Is Patching The HFM, ( Enabling PinCode In R.E.T ), And Also AVDI Save The File After Read, You Wilk Find It In My Document -> Abrites IDxxxxxx.
Regards
Brat
18th May, 2021, 12:44 PM
Hello,Can Tango clone prepare card ?
Monalos
15th August, 2023, 09:24 AM
Hello, My vehicle is renault clio 4 2016 model. without inserting the key card into the slot, the car does not start and there is no hands-free equipment. I'm thinking of adding a hands-free feature. I can replace the card reader and card and connect the antennas, but how will the presentation be? Is there anything more specific? can you drive?
Mmotul
15th August, 2023, 08:11 PM
Hello, My vehicle is renault clio 4 2016 model. without inserting the key card into the slot, the car does not start and there is no hands-free equipment. I'm thinking of adding a hands-free feature. I can replace the card reader and card and connect the antennas, but how will the presentation be? Is there anything more specific? can you drive?
You must replace HFM, add antenas (1x above hfm, 2x door handles, 1x under rear bumper) you must also add wiring ( from hfm to antennas), replace non keyless cards with keyless cards(chrome logo).
Before you unmont old HFM you must connect RET and read and save ISK / PIN. Then you install hands free hfm, make it virgin and learn wit original PIN / ISK, then add/replace old cards wit keyless cards.
EDIT: You must also add speaker / horn under front windshield.
Monalos
16th August, 2023, 07:27 PM
Hello, can you help me in more detail? I can install the antennas, change the hfm, but how will I do the programming, what will I use. What programs should I use, if you want, I can pay you for helping me. I really want my car to have keyless entry and start. not everyone said, I even called renault dealers. They refused to help me, I would be very happy if you could help me. I can take and do anything.
Mmotul
16th August, 2023, 08:19 PM
Hello, can you help me in more detail? I can install the antennas, change the hfm, but how will I do the programming, what will I use. What programs should I use, if you want, I can pay you for helping me. I really want my car to have keyless entry and start. not everyone said, I even called renault dealers. They refused to help me, I would be very happy if you could help me. I can take and do anything.
For change HFM I use RET (Renault Ecu Tool)
Monalos
16th August, 2023, 08:37 PM
http://blog.vvdishop.com/connect-vvdi-prog-to-renault-clio-iv-hfm-d07f3633/
Can I remove the hfm and program it as in the link?
Monalos
18th August, 2023, 05:17 PM
Hello, I could not find the renault ecu tool (RET) device in my country, but I can find the RENOLINK device. Can I read pin isk from hfm with renolink device? can i teach zero original hfm afterwards? Or will this work with a device other than the renault ecu tool?
rob h
18th August, 2023, 05:36 PM
www.immo-tools.lt (http://www.immo-tools.lt)
Contact them, they have a sales link, and list some dealers.
Hfm, (Capture and Clio) is best read with a programmer. ( in case secured software version )
Then, RET. will give you correct isk, and all funtions, to make virg, unsecure, change vin, program.
Renolink is often offered, with a fake activating.
So i bought it from the devoloper.
Stil my virus scanner want to get rid of it.
It works good. But takes some getting used to.
I dont think, it will give you isk from dump.
Most of my work on Renault, is immo related, key learning, and making modules virgin.
I always use the Ret, tool for this.
Some of these features are also in Renolink present.
So get them both, depending on what you need to do, you might also need a programmer.
Vvdiprog, oem upa, Orange5, will read hfm.
Monalos
18th August, 2023, 05:55 PM
www.immo-tools.lt (http://www.immo-tools.lt)
Contact them, they have a sales link, and list some dealers.
Hfm, (Capture and Clio) is best read with a programmer. ( in case secured software version )
Then, RET. will give you correct isk, and all funtions, to make virg, unsecure, change vin, program.
Renolink is often offered, with a fake activating.
So i bought it from the devoloper.
Stil my virus scanner want to get rid of it.
It works good. But takes some getting used to.
I dont think, it will give you isk from dump.
Most of my work on Renault, is immo related, key learning, and making modules virgin.
I always use the Ret, tool for this.
Some of these features are also in Renolink present.
So get them both, depending on what you need to do.
Vvdiprog, oem upa, Orange5, will read hfm.
Thank you very much for your reply. I am trying to add keyless feature for my 2016 model clio 4 car. Keyless feature is not available because my car is low equipped. It will be great if I add the keyless feature. I bought the antennas and I also bought the keyless equipped hfm module. only read PIN and ISK in old nokeyless hfm. just teach the new keyless hfm and add the keys. Is everything correct so far? I'm looking for a RET device, I'll be able to code it when I find it.
rob h
19th August, 2023, 10:00 AM
There is a good chance, that you have upgrade software in your hfm.
Reading, isk, using this obd tool, could erase your immodata.
That is why, the option, to open up the hfm, and read with programmer is there.
Orange5 clone, is the cheapest option.
The keyless hfm, you can just make virgin, by obd
Change vin,
And program it, by obd.
Coding, you need clip, or renolink.
What you need to code? I dont know what other modules are involved.
There are doorlocks, interior, and exterior antennas.
But you could start, with the hfm swapp, and go from there.
Monalos
20th August, 2023, 01:11 PM
There is a good chance, that you have upgrade software in your hfm.
Reading, isk, using this obd tool, could erase your immodata.
That is why, the option, to open up the hfm, and read with programmer is there.
Orange5 clone, is the cheapest option.
The keyless hfm, you can just make virgin, by obd
Change vin,
And program it, by obd.
Coding, you need clip, or renolink.
What you need to code? I dont know what other modules are involved.
There are doorlocks, interior, and exterior antennas.
But you could start, with the hfm swapp, and go from there.
I ordered RENAULT ECU TOOL (RET), I will have it soon. I also bought the orange 5 device. first i will read old hfm with orange 5 then i will assemble new keyless hfm and teach it. Can you tell me the steps I will take when the devices reach me? I visited many repair shops in my country and they all said that nokeyless hfm cannot be replaced with keyless hfm. I will succeed because of you and everyone will see. I will enter my car without a key and now I will be able to start it without inserting the key in the slot. I'll post again when the devices arrive. thanks..
rob h
20th August, 2023, 04:42 PM
PM me soon as you have your orange5.
You can start, with reading the keyless hfm.
This way, you will have a backup, and tested your orange5.
Do you have a new keycard.
Aftermarket are mostly for keyless.
Mmotul
20th August, 2023, 04:45 PM
Replacing hfm is 10 minute work. Most difficult is adding wires, you need to tear apart half of car :disillusionment::disillusionment::disillusionment :
Ecuprog31
20th August, 2023, 08:07 PM
For remove hfm it’s 20sec job
no need to dismantle half car
Monalos
20th August, 2023, 08:28 PM
PM me soon as you have your orange5.
You can start, with reading the keyless hfm.
This way, you will have a backup, and tested your orange5.
Do you have a new keycard.
Aftermarket are mostly for keyless.
I ordered 285971998r and it will arrive.
The wiring issue is simple for me. I will finish the wiring after the new hfm programming.
joker01
22nd August, 2023, 10:46 PM
renault ecu tool.....this hw I've read around has been abandoned by the manufacturer as an update.....tried to write mail to immotools without getting an answer.....is it still worth buying???
Mmotul
23rd August, 2023, 07:21 PM
For remove hfm it’s 20sec job
no need to dismantle half car
You did not read my post correct.
I write:
-REPLACING 10min ( Read old hfm pin, make new virgin and code it to car)
-ADD WIRING for antennas ( from hfm to front L + R door handles, from hfm to under rear bumper, from hfm to under front windscreen for speaker) need to dismantle a lot, not half, but almost half
Kurtkoeln
28th August, 2023, 08:33 PM
Hello,
According to the clip, the transponders PCF7936 from Aliexpress all run at 315 MHz, so I got another one and added the card with RenoLink/ DDT4ALL to the car and lo and behold the steering wheel lock can be opened and the immobilizer also opens, I don’t know if it starts, I have it didn't really try either.
On the one hand, the control unit cannot be read out via clip and, on the other hand, there is now a strange message on the display.
No PROG on the display. What should I do ?
But my ZV, Keyless Go still doesn't work via the card, the switch on the roof liner works without any problems.
According to the clip, the front disc antenna doesn't work either.
According to the clip, both cards go to 433 MHz.
But since I only had one transponder and it wasn't pre-programmed, I'm looking for a dealer who sells good PCF7936AS transponders, possibly also some that are already pre-programmed
DDT4ALL also read the card and immediately marked it as 433MHz.
And the card that releases my steering wheel lock, WFS, never belonged to my vehicle.
There is only one card left from my vehicle, and I accidentally discarded one card and passed it through the household waste.
Now, as I said, I'm looking for good transponders.
Who can tell me what about the Zed Bull and what you can do with it.
I know that you can use the Zed Bull with the Effi Tool and with the Zed Bull you can also unlock transponders etc. etc.
Greetings Kale
Ps. If you want to teach your Renault with RenOLink cards, you have to be careful that the ignition is completely off and the WFS only flashes normally and not quickly, the WFS flashes quickly, you don't get a card taught, what you get is this error message.
7F8022 Conditions not set or sequence error
I tested it yesterday for over 3 hours, the WFS flashed normally, you could read the pins etc., you made sure that the WFS flashed quickly and there is an error message.
7F8022 Conditions not set or sequence error
Monalos
29th August, 2023, 06:28 PM
Hello how are you? The RET device arrived today. I will read pin and isk from existing HFM with orange 5 device. I'm going to put the new hfm in the car. I will install the RET device on the car. Then I will click LEARD HFM and add pin and isk. And I will introduce the key to the car from the KEY PROGRAMING section. Is everything correct so far? Since the new hfm is zero, there is no need to make a virgin again.
Which one will I choose to teach HFM in RET V4.05 software. LEARN CARD in options and there is BCM/UCH.
https://i.hizliresim.com/83t10s4o.jpeg (https://hizliresim.com/83t10s4)
https://i.hizliresim.com/e.jpeg (https://hizliresim.com/lqganwe)
Kurtkoeln
30th August, 2023, 09:57 AM
[QUOTE=Monalos;4603369]Hallo, wie geht es dir? Das RET-Gerät ist heute angekommen. Ich werde PIN und ISK von einem vorhandenen HFM mit einem orangefarbenen 5-Gerät lesen. Ich werde den neuen HFM ins Auto einbauen. Ich werde das RET-Gerät in das Auto einbauen. Dann klicke ich auf LEARD HFM und füge PIN und ISK hinzu. Und ich werde den Schlüssel zum Auto aus dem Abschnitt SCHLÜSSELPROGRAMMIERUNG vorstellen. Ist soweit alles richtig? Da die neue HFM Null ist, besteht keine Notwendigkeit, erneut eine Jungfrau zu erstellen.
Welches werde ich wählen, um HFM in der RET V4.05-Software zu unterrichten? LEARN CARD in den Optionen und es gibt BCM/UCH. [/ZITAT]
https://i.hizliresim.com/83t10s4.jpeg (https://hizliresim.com/83t10s4)
https://i.hizliresim.com/lqganwe.jpeg (https://hizliresim.com/lqganwe)
Hello, I have the program too.
What probe are you using it with?
Monalos
30th August, 2023, 11:33 AM
Hello I introduced my new keyless capable hfm and keyless card to the car that didn't need to be inserted into the key slot. it didn't work without inserting the card into the slot? where is it missing? One of the internal antennas is missing, could it be because of this?
Not: New keyless card pcf7945M
https://i.hizliresim.comh/kr6raq9.jpeg (https://hizliresim.ucom/kr6raq9)
Kurtkoeln
30th August, 2023, 12:09 PM
[QUOTE=Monalos;4603765]Hallo, ich habe mein neues schlüsselloses HFM und meine schlüssellose Karte in das Auto eingeführt, die nicht in den Schlüsselschlitz gesteckt werden musste. es hat nicht funktioniert, ohne die Karte in den Steckplatz einzuführen? wo fehlt es? Eine der internen Antennen fehlt, könnte das daran liegen?
https://i.hizliresim.com/kr6raq9.jpeg (https://hizliresim.com/kr6raq9)[/ZITAT]
You can test the Keyless Go system with the Renault Can Clip.
What probe did you use for the program?
Monalos
30th August, 2023, 12:12 PM
Renault ecu tool(RET) obd
Kurtkoeln
30th August, 2023, 12:17 PM
Renault-ECU-Tool (RET) obd
Hello, can you please post a photo of it?
what did you pay for it
Mmotul
30th August, 2023, 12:44 PM
if you doesnt have antennas, keyless doesnt work.
You need add 5 antennas:
- Front Left Driver door handle integrated antenna with button
- front Right Passenger door handle integrated antenna with button
- Under Rear bumper
- Above the HFM ( for keyless start)
- Under rear seat
Keyless have also speaker/horn under front windshield for confirmation of locking car when you are 5m from the car.
Monalos
30th August, 2023, 12:58 PM
There is one antenna on the hfm. Is one antenna enough to test it? Or does it have to be all antennas?
Kurtkoeln
30th August, 2023, 01:23 PM
Can Clip, tests the antenna in the windscreen and in the center console.
The antennas in the door handles can be cleaned, they are often dirty and that's why it doesn't work properly.
Where is the HFM module?
Monalos
30th August, 2023, 02:16 PM
hfm has antenna on it 2
Is handsfree turned off on the UCH computer?
Because because in the photo I sent it says hans car
https://i.t.trttcom/l1etzng.jpeg (https://hizliresim.ucom/l1etzng)
rob h
30th August, 2023, 05:54 PM
When i connect, to a hfm, it does tell if it keyless or not.
Before you programmed this new keyless hfm, did it say keyless.
It might have changed, during the programming.
You can restore this hfm, using orange5 dflash.
I think, you need to erase dflash, before you can rewrite it.
Some time ago, i replaced a hfm.
During programmig, the elv steering lock, was unplugged.
Now the car, works fine, without steering lock.
So either the hfm, looks at the cars config, or it take these options from the dealer keycard.
I never had to convert from regular to keyless.
Mmotul
30th August, 2023, 06:04 PM
I think he copied dflash from old to keyless hfm and now doesnt have keyless.
I writed 10 times: READ PIN and LEARN new hfm with this pin.
Monalos
30th August, 2023, 06:09 PM
I connected the RET device to the vehicle I clicked ENABLE YOUR PIN READ (2015+) told me to insert the original card of this car then he said take out the card then gave isk and pin. I removed the old hfm I installed my new hfm. I clicked LEARN HFM it said type isk or pin I wrote ISK and continued. Written by HFM. SUCCESSFULLY LEARNED. then i clicked on SWITCH PROGRAMMING said insert blank card I inserted the card and continued. all completed. I removed the card and reinserted it and started the car
. but it didn't work without the key inserted in the slot, it says insert the key into the slot. antenna attached
rob h
30th August, 2023, 06:18 PM
allright, we need to figure out, what makes the hfm swapp form keyless to non.
A the old non keyless card.
B the car itself
You could restore it, by erase and rewrite the dflash
Always make full back up, dflash, pflash and cnfg.
Or make it virgin with ret, and relearned it, soon as we figured this keyless/to non keyless.
Monalos
30th August, 2023, 06:25 PM
my car didn't have keyless entry and keyless start due to its hardware. I bought a keyless hfm code 285905280R. I bought a key which is pcf7945m. I bought 285906352R antenna. I coded it but I couldn't get this feature. I am very sorry and spent a lot of money. I need to run this.
285905280R may this not be for hfm clio 4 with code?
Mmotul
30th August, 2023, 06:31 PM
Possible, old hfm owner replaced dflash / pflash in the hfm ? Dflash / pflash in keyless hfm is different from nonkeyless
Monalos
30th August, 2023, 06:35 PM
285905280R HFM new
new never used
Monalos
30th August, 2023, 06:36 PM
While I was learning new hfm, he told me to insert the existing old card of the car. I put it on and hfm learned. Then he learned the new card. Could it have happened, when I inserted the existing no keyless card? but he was saying that new hfm cannot be learned without a card belonging to the car.
Mmotul
30th August, 2023, 06:43 PM
While I was learning new hfm, he told me to insert the existing old card of the car. I put it on and hfm learned. Then he learned the new card. Could it have happened, when I inserted the existing no keyless card? but he was saying that new hfm cannot be learned without a card belonging to the car.
NO. Now you have 1 card original nonkeyless and 1 keyless. card could not change sw in hfm
Monalos
30th August, 2023, 06:45 PM
I am adding hfm pcbs here. my car doesn't have keyless hardware as it appears with red line on original hfm module. The other picture is the new hfm pcb with keyless hardware.
This picture orjinal car hfm, second picture new hfm
https://i.hh.com/ggyy6b3o9x5.jpeg (https://hizliresim.com/6b3o9x5ıı)
https://i.hizliresimtttt.com/qlrot0w.jpeg (https://hizliresimyyy.com/qlrot0w)
Monalos
30th August, 2023, 06:47 PM
NO. Now you have 1 card original nonkeyless and 1 keyless. card could not change sw in hfm
Only the newly introduced card runs the new hfm. car does not start when i insert old original card
what should i do now?
Also; After the new hfm, it says press the brake and start. It was working without pressing the brakes before.
Mmotul
30th August, 2023, 06:51 PM
Only the newly introduced card runs the new hfm. car does not start when i insert old original card
When you add card with ret, you must insert all cards that you want to use on this car
Monalos
30th August, 2023, 06:55 PM
Any idea how to start it without a key? should i buy new hfm? Or should the UCH brain be replaced?
money i spend
550
150 $ o
others 100$
result failed :-(
Everyone around me said don't do it, now I don't know what to do. Anyone else do something like this?
I think the hands free feature is being read from uch. If uch supports hands free, hfm also works keyless. Can the uch version be upgraded? if i buy uch brain of top pack car how do i encode it? Is adding pin and isk enough?
Kurtkoeln
31st August, 2023, 08:45 AM
Hello, you can update the UCH, injection control unit, etc. via Can Clip.
If your Clio did not previously have keyless start etc, then you will need to find one that does have keyless start and then take over the UCH, engine control unit, steering wheel lock, maps, aerials, key cards etc from that.
Or, best of all, you have to take all the parts from a vehicle and then adapt it to your vehicle.
If your HFM did not previously have a keyless starter and you are installing it now, you will have to adapt the other parts, i.e. your old to the new keyless starts, etc.
Because you want to go from keyless starting / opening to keyless opening / starting, so you have to look for your vehicle in Dialogys and then do it there according to the instructions.
Monalos
31st August, 2023, 09:28 AM
I've spent quite a bit of money so far. If I'm still going to spend any more money, I'll have to stop doing it. There are ready-made keyless entry and remote start modules on Aliexpress.
The only thing I will do now.
RET 2023
21st November, 2023, 03:52 AM
Hello, I need advice regarding Clio and Captur from 2016, these have had an anti-theft update, after having done more than 50 Clios, I have now had a problem twice, the first time the battery was almost empty ( he had not told me) so I pressed Enable read pin, which then erased the entire ECU (only due to a low battery voltage?) Fortunately I know someone at the dealer who solved this.
This is a learning experience, always have battery help.
But I have now had another problem, once I had an AKL situation, I also have a programmer to make dealer key, when I made the HFM virgin it then asked for the key, I put it in, it gave then on (Error (8) Global failure in Firmware) I have never had this before, could it have been that the card was empty instead of with data, or is this really in the HFM?
Lately I've been getting the idea that I sometimes can't completely trust my equipment, I have RET with 2023 hardware and 4.05 software.
or am I doing something wrong?
dontforgetus
9th January, 2024, 01:15 AM
The first thing u did wrong like the rest is get involved in car programming haha
the Phase 2 of the clio captur start in 2015 onwards and when is updated RET is blocked from programming unless u have some other tools
RET can read the Pin code only when HFM has been made virgin.
always when make it virgin its needed to have a keycard that is pre coded via the PIN from the dealer (https://lock50.co.uk/tagpro/sw-01-renault-clio-captur-precoding-dealer-keycard-with-known-pin-code/)to use the RET
But Note these models go to 2019 Captur mark 1 and clio mark 4 and seems from 2017 up best to avoid these with RET as if u make virgin the Reader when i last tried quite some months ago the HFM was not programming back in and i have to use a diff tool to complete the job using a diff tool.
jodge
9th January, 2024, 12:14 PM
good idea if you read the manual first
https://www.immo-tools.lt/site/files/failai/X98_AllCardsLost.pdf
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