CAS 2 failure symptons

[chris_e36_328]

Hi all,
please could those familiar with with CAS2 help me with a couple of questions? I'm more clued up on EWS2 operation so I'm a bit stuck with this one:

2005 E90 318 failed to switch the engine off upon pressing the start/stop button. The customer stalled the engine and called the AA as all the dash lights were still on. AA man disconnected the battery hoping this will reset things...... After this apparently the engine would start and stop but he was unable to pull the key out from the slot. Customer claims the aa man wiggled it and basically ripped it out.

After that there's no show, no reaction to the key being put in at all. He shut the car and advised to take it to a garage (AA attitude).
Oh, and he also quoted missfire on cylinder 2..??
Ive picked this up from there. The battery is being drained by around 2A current. Ive chased it to the CAS2 module. After disconnecting the box the drain goes down to about 0.4A which is about right.
Strange thing is that with the CAS module in place I can read codes from pretty much everything, CAS, engine ECU etc as if the ignition was on, even though none of the dash lights are lit. start/stop button doesnt seem to be doing anything (although it's backlight is on).

Sometimes there is seatbelt light on the dash, sometimes nothing at all. There was a bunch of fault codes in the CAS that Ive cleared but there are 2 in the instrument cluster that keep comming back, one to do with CAN.

Question is, can someone make an educated guess based on this or some further tests as to whether the CAS module is at fault (as it powering only certain circuits) or if is the key antenna module that's gone following AA muppet forcing the key out?
Another question is what is the behavior of the key antena module when there is no power applied to it? Should it let me slide the key in and pull it out or not?

I know the CAS modules are a common problem and I'd be keen to replace it, but after the battery being disconnected and they key forced out I'm not sure if this is the best bet.
The wiring between the CAS and key module doesn't really give any clues as to what to expect. I know that if the key is not recognised in EWS2 system the starter will not kick in, but not sure how the story goes in CAS and whether the instrument cluster would be neccessary for the engine to run (no power to cluster due to faulty CAS module? damaged cluster following disconnecting the battery with the ignition on??)

Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction for further checks? Any detail would be much appreciated.

[lolo.lolo]

hi

looks like ELV (Electric Steering Lock) malfunction... nasty one...
use gt1 ...reset the ELV counter...realign CAS-DME(DDE)...try to start.
u may need do reprogram(soft update) entire car.
or worst...steering column must be replaced...


have fun!

[chris_e36_328]

sweet. would inpa be any of use for any of the steps? didnt need gti so far but got ads and could install gt1 if necessary.
would there be any symptoms to confirm the elv fault?yellow dash ind wasnt reported by the owner.would elv issue not allow to stop the engine? should i hear a noise from under the column upon connecting the battery when its trying to unlock?

[lolo.lolo]

hi

inpa is perfect for the job; reset ELV counter and realign CAS-DME.
the ELV simptoms are very diffrent, most common is the steering lock warning light but is also dealing with the key(keyslot) etc.
normaly when the key is "accepted" u will hear the ELV unlocking the steering column.


have fun!

[chris_e36_328]

Many thanks for info, much appreciated. bit more clue as to what components are involved in the system. However, I'm still missing some basic info. I cannot seem to find the 'reset elv counter' in inpa. Checked everything, I can see elv status 'locked', key status 'valid' but what I dont get that even thought the key is 'valid' the signal is 'implausible or invalid'.
I can also see status of both 'hall 12' and 'hall 34' flickering rather than keeping 0 or 12v but I cant cross reference the locations of the sensors as the names do not give away much.
I'm chasing up whether the key slot could have been damaged by the mechanic who forced the key out as this is teh cheapest part to start the elimination process.
Do you happen to know how the system behaves when you put an incorrect key to the slot? Will the slot grab onto the key (programmed to other car) and the dash lights come on but the engine will not turn over? Or will there be no reaction as if the slot was disconnected? This is what happens now. Absolutely no reaction to the key being put in.
IF the lights do come on with the wrong key it means the slot is definately gon no seing the key at all. Any info on this? Many thanks for your input so far bud. Much appreciated.

[lolo.lolo]

hi

to reset the ELV counter go to CAS...activate menu...reset ELV.
If u try to put in the slot another key from another car the slot will do nothing...like in your case....the ELV-CAS dose not recognize your key.
After reset push the key hard into the slot until it stays there, turn the ignition on and start the car.
If it's not working seek professional bmw help(gt1/ista)...maybe u need a new steering column.


have fun!

[chris_e36_328]

I am having fun with it believe me. I do mobile service mainly so been there up and down a few times already.
Got the new key slot fitted. Bingo. Lights on, ELV unlocks, engine cranks. Unfortunately no go. Im getting 2F44 EWS3.3 manipulation protection code from the DME. No codes in cas.
Now, is this to do with the dme cas misalignment or is this what was the problem to begin with.
Im trying to reset dme/cas but at the moment I only have ADS for my inpa as just sold my V30 and waiting for the new one to arrive (just my luck). The procedure doesn't seem to initiate, I'm guessing its because the ADS does not support CAN.
Im going to get someone to do the alignment for me. Do you recon the 2F44 is just that or is the CAS gone?
Many thanks for your help so far bud.

[DJAMY]

dont panic
EWS3 manipulatation is faulty seen when lost synchro between cas / DME
just make alignement between DME/CAS
GT1 DIS , is perfect for this .
good luck

[lolo.lolo]

I am having fun with it believe me. I do mobile service mainly so been there up and down a few times already.
Got the new key slot fitted. Bingo. Lights on, ELV unlocks, engine cranks. Unfortunately no go. Im getting 2F44 EWS3.3 manipulation protection code from the DME. No codes in cas.
Now, is this to do with the dme cas misalignment or is this what was the problem to begin with.
Im trying to reset dme/cas but at the moment I only have ADS for my inpa as just sold my V30 and waiting for the new one to arrive (just my luck). The procedure doesn't seem to initiate, I'm guessing its because the ADS does not support CAN.
Im going to get someone to do the alignment for me. Do you recon the 2F44 is just that or is the CAS gone?
Many thanks for your help so far bud.

hi

just do a resync CAS-DME.

[chris_e36_328]

Job done. Car started up no probs. One faulty ignition coil down but its all good now.Unfortunately had to get someone to help me out with the alignment as the ads didnt want to know. Its second time this week. my luck again. Many thanks guys, much appreciated for your input.

One more question guys, any one has some experience with the usb inpa DCAN cable? I just wonder whether it's any good in as it seems interesting at least on paper if it does work with inpa. I need to get a few other things first before the GT1 so I'm tempted with the DCAN cable?Cheers

[naruto12]

Hi there people, can anyone help me? i got one bmw e60 525d of yar 2004, i change the ecu, and i put another ecu and cas, the problem its the vin number or chassi number, the car its running well, but i got some errors lik airbag etc, because the chassi (vin) number its diferent ...can anyone help me on that? how i change the chassi number ?



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