Smart 451 fortwo need the bitting for the code all key lost

[JFR-Tuning]

Hi M8

please help. All Key lost


I become the code 097877 from cwp2 with the VIN

but the Xhorse can not decode it in the biting code


many thnx in advance

[JFR-Tuning]

np chance for it ? soft or a webpage. i pay for it

[rapidlocksmiths]

lishi tool will give you the direct cuts

[JFR-Tuning]

ok thx

but the car is here , lishi not

and i ask my self why i pay this bad tool of CWP2 Wizard if it give me a code wich no one can decode???

[rapidlocksmiths]

you cant blame the CWP2 , its given you the code , your problem is that instacode doesnt yet have this code series and your machine doesnt have the code in its memory , its not the fault of the CWP2 this is a failing of the machine database or code software database on machine, the cwp2 has done its job in giving you the code.

instacode doesnt have that code in its list , though some silca machines like futura have more codes listed than instacode on these , maybe a silca futura user may have more luck with the code.

if a 451 then should be va2 blade using the 1234Q5678H series , so will need lishi VA6 4 lifter tool if the case. other option is to remove and strip the lock and get cuts from wafers.

[JFR-Tuning]

you cant blame the CWP2 , its given you the code , your problem is that instacode doesnt yet have this code series and your machine doesnt have the code in its memory , its not the fault of the CWP2 this is a failing of the machine database or code software database on machine, the cwp2 has done its job in giving you the code.

instacode doesnt have that code in its list , though some silca machines like futura have more codes listed than instacode on these , maybe a silca futura user may have more luck with the code.

if a 451 then should be va2 blade using the 1234Q5678H series , so will need lishi VA6 4 lifter tool if the case. other option is to remove and strip the lock and get cuts from wafers.

Thnx

Ok i thought in case of evry Maschine doenst have a decoding is a Problem of cwp2

So sorry for That thinking

[Manta1600]

This is your fault by 2 points

1-st You don't have Lishi - What about if the lock is replaced?
2-nd There is a lot of threads about Smart key codes where you can see that this code can't be find in Instacode and can't be find in the cutting machines

Next time before you take the job firts check are you have all tools to do it and read the threads here

[rapidlocksmiths]

this is how good tools get a bad name , everyone blames the tool rather than blame there own lack of knowledge or research. its well catalogued that instacode , silca etc have big gaps in smart codes , so is unlikely to have the code , knowing this you make sure you have the right lishi tools for smart cars , there are only 3 , YM23 , HU56 and VA6 4 lifter , for 451 its va6 4 lifter.

i agree its a pain , but cwp2 did its job well , sadly all the key machines and code software dont have the series info in them , but hard to blame machines as they can only enter series info for what they have access to

the solution luckily is a simple one , and you have 3 simple options to resolve this ;

1) buy a va6 4 lifter lishi and pick and decode , it takes just a few mins max to get the correct key code
2) remove and strip the lock and get cut numbers from wafers
3) order pre cut key from smart dealer

of course if any locks have been changed , then theres issues , but issues that the correct lishi tool can quickly sort out .

[JFR-Tuning]

Ok I don‘ t know this. CWP do this Job well. Ok . The Problem ist that all machines can‘ t decode this Code.

than one question one point to make netter.

what can every one do with this code if no Chance to decode it in a bittingcode? Database xhorse, miracle and Futura can‘t decode it.

To make ist little better will ne if CWP Witten in the Point of help, that this Code can‘t be use in Zeus machines to decode in bitting and Customer have to use lishi

and i read the trades here before. There are Dome who ask for the code, Not for the bitting.... done trades are the tip of lichi..

but like in this Post are not the Problem solved. Than the question again... what is the result to have a Code wich y can t use to bitting ????

and the Next is, that y can check ist only if you have a Car, the Vin of the Carl and Pitt this Code in the machines. Do y do this before y must do a Job? I never. I Look in the soft of CWP and foult a resoult that it works ( Vin to mechanic code ) and that s ist for me. In the help no discription. I sag before it was the first all key lost Smart.

that s the reason I Write a little Text in the help will be usefull

[rapidlocksmiths]

the likes of instacode , hpc code software , silca code software which are the 3 code sources most machines use , if smart dont release the code series to them then they cant add them to the machines , so have to wait for feedback from people who have a code and the bitting to start creating a list.

car manufacturers are not quick to release their code series info , as once accessible the security is lost and the prices tumble . manufacturers are far more guarded over their data than they once were .

the way forward is lishi and developing the skill to use them , then gaps in code series dont cause you a problem , in this case had you had the correct lishi tool and could use it , then you would have had your bitting in as long as it took you to write the initial post, if you had removed and stripped a lock to get bitting the car would be running now too.

im surprised that you dont have a va6 4 lifter lishi as this lock is used on so many different vehicles at present , but on the bright side you now know theres an issue with smart codes so will be prepared next time.

[JFR-Tuning]

I do only very rare locksmith. So I buy not all Lishi . Ist my first Smart without any key. I buy it today from WENDT pic the car and prog it all is fine

But if I Know the trouble of this ~~~~ing Smart before, I send people away. I was irritated i reason of the vin to pin of CWP

[rapidlocksmiths]

we all get iritated at times , if not a locksmith then you wont have all lishi picks , alot of code series are missing on machines , and many cars have had a lock change so codes are not always helpful , this is common on the va2 lock fitted to smart , psa , opel and toyota , these are awful quality locks that are prone to failure , so its common for these to have been changed and customers wanting cheapest option often only change one lock , so not uncommon to see a car running on 2 locks and 2 keys , i once had an escort van running on 3 different keys.
it used to be a ball ache stripping multiple locks , lishi has simplified this and made it a simple quick job.

now you have the tool you wont get caught on these again

[JFR-Tuning]

Yes ,.... to pic this I need first time 1 hour ��

so i have a last question to y:

is the turbo decoder VA2 work on this smart ? Because there they offer it as VA2 And VA 6 in ones. By Lishi are 2 different

any testing with it ?

[rapidlocksmiths]

with lishi they are different because the wafers in both locks are different , the grid has to be different as va2 is 6 cut heights labelled ABCDEF , VA6 is just 4 cut heights using 1234Q5678H series , thus 2 different decode grids . blade area and wafer layout is same .

turbo decode should indeed pick both , but with turbo decoder you will rely on your cut to code machine being able to decode the turbo decoder once set at the key, not all machines can decode these well , or your ability to read with your eyes the turbo decoder for both series of lock .

the 2 lishi tools are a fraction of the cost of 1 turbo decoder , your not reliant on your eyes or your machine to get the decode and with practice va6 takes a minute to pick and a minute to decode , your smart on akl i would expect to pick , decode , cut the key and program the key and be done inside 12 to 15 mins .