beginner locksmith, how to find Key code

[meysam98]

Hi guys,

i'm looking to find someone more knowledgeable than me to guid me to be a locksmith.

I'm cruise to know how to get keycode by VIN number to cut the key for all key lost.

I know there're many online services to give you keycode by VIN number.

What is the process to get keycode? need a special tools to Calcutta? or registration?


Please guid me

[Domi]

PIN by VIN only dealer
Read and read on this site
Allone tool not exist
You need good soldering skills
And many $$$

https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forum...smith+begining

[rapidlocksmiths]

on most cars vin to pin is only available from the main dealers or from the code brokers you have seen online . some models like mitsubishi and suzuki use fixed pin codes that are the same on a model , and you can buy an excellent calculater from diagcode for getting hyundai and kia pin codes and key numbers to vin yourself as long as you buy the calculator .

so vin to pin is not realistic for you unless you buy from dealer or code broker , more realistic is you buy the right diagnostic programmer for your market that will read the pin by obd , or remove units and develop good soldering skills and have a decent dump tool.

if its the key code you need then some locks like honda have the key code stamped on a lock , but for most you must either buy the key code from the main dealer or a code broker or you must by the lishi tool for the lock type you wish to pick and learn how to pick and decode the lock with lishi or learn to remove and strip locks , this is how a locksmith gets the key code.

if it was as easy as get pins and key codes from vins then we would all be codesmiths and not auto locksmiths

[meysam98]

on most cars vin to pin is only available from the main dealers or from the code brokers you have seen online . some models like mitsubishi and suzuki use fixed pin codes that are the same on a model , and you can buy an excellent calculater from diagcode for getting hyundai and kia pin codes and key numbers to vin yourself as long as you buy the calculator .

so vin to pin is not realistic for you unless you buy from dealer or code broker , more realistic is you buy the right diagnostic programmer for your market that will read the pin by obd , or remove units and develop good soldering skills and have a decent dump tool.

if its the key code you need then some locks like honda have the key code stamped on a lock , but for most you must either buy the key code from the main dealer or a code broker or you must by the lishi tool for the lock type you wish to pick and learn how to pick and decode the lock with lishi or learn to remove and strip locks , this is how a locksmith gets the key code.

if it was as easy as get pins and key codes from vins then we would all be codesmiths and not auto locksmiths

Okay got it, thanks @rapidlocksmiths.

already I have an Autel im608 for key programming that calculates pin codes by itself.
and this week I bought a key cutter (2m2 tank), and I understood that need the keycode for all keys lost.




something that I understand is: Keycode and Pincode are different, and Pincode is depend on PCM (Anti Theft System) for ECU security. and Keycode is dependent on locksmith which provides locks to vehicle brand.

so it is not possible to calculate Keycode by Autel ford key cutting?

[rapidlocksmiths]

some makes you can read the keycode by obd , opel and vauxhall for instance , but for most you have 3 options to get the key code ;

1) you buy the key code from the main dealer or an online code broker , though this is useless on some old cars that have had 1 or more locks changed on the vehicle .

2) you learn to remove locks , strip them down to read the cut numbers on each wafer to get the key bitting then rebuild and refit the lock

3) you buy the lishi 2in1 pick and decoders you will need , there is over 120 different lishi pick and decoders , so you need to know what cars makes models and years you will see the most so you buy the correct tools to pick and decode them .

stripping the lock or picking and decoding the lock with lishi will give you the key bitting , if you need the key code you will also need software like instacode to convert the bitting to the key code , though im sure your machine will give you choice of entering a code or the bitting or trace and copy .

im shocked that you have already bought equipment with no knowledge of how to use it , there is alot to learn , as good as im608 is it has its fails , have you bought a battery support unit as this is needed when reading pins and coding keys on some makes and models or it will end in tears and become expensive .

autel cannot calculate the key code for many cars at all , and not for ford no , for ford you need the correct pick and decoder for the year and model of car you work on , from ford 2017 to HU101 to FO38 to ford tibbe pick and decoder , all of which you need to learn how to pick the lock and then how to decode it with the tool , then the oddball fords that use other makes keys like sip22 , nsn11 , HU66 and maz24r , some are easy to remove and strip and some are not , some dealers hold key codes and some they do not .

autel is a good programmer , but it has many gaps especially on older cars , it has makes and models it cant do well , i personally wouldnt have bought a programmer until i had done research on the makes models and years of vehicle im likely to see , id have then bought my diag to suit my market .

at present you are buying blind , you need to know the makes , models and years of car you will see in your area , thats the easiest bit to research , then you need to know which keyways are fitted to these cars , software like instacode can help with this , you can then buy the correct tools to pick and decode them , you then need to learn how to use the picks and the decoders once you have them.

once you have the correct key , you need to know which key , which chip and which remote to use , again instacode can help , then once you have cut the correct key you need to read pin and code it in , some cars require battery support , some have issues and some are very tempremental and easily bricked , alot are straight forward . some cars cannot be done by obd programmers , and some cars should not even be attempted as car will be bricked if you try.

many remotes need programming manually and not by autel , you need to know these procedures to complete the job .

many older cars will have had lock changes and will be running on more than 1 key , some locks cannot be picked and decoded as have side bars in them .

theres alot more to the job of an auto locksmith than buy a programmer and press some buttons , or buy in codes as a codesmith , and it all needs learning .

its a great job , but is a very steep learning curve , and the learning is ongoing , it never stops as new locks and new systems come out every year , you need more programmers , more stock and more knowledge all of the time , you will never know enough to do it all .

its a very steep learning curve , but if determined to learn it , id advise getting training and doing alot of research and practice , as the wrong job and a bricked car will end your career before it starts , good luck