20% tax from Aliexpress

**rapidlocksmiths** · 2nd January, 2021, 03:51 PM

why the shock and horror , they are just closing the net to stop businesses avoiding taxes , if a legit business then theres no problem , charge accordingly as every business does

**TERMINATOR1000** · 2nd January, 2021, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by arosta

Termi please use your google search and you will know that june or july will hit same situation in all EU. Like Figani said "this is not new" i read about it mounths ago couple of times from many others sources. Thats political decision (they use covid for BIG economy changes of our life and this is very small change, BIGGER will come sooner then you think)

Aliexpress collect this taxe only for British customers , today , if they applies it for rest of the world , i will buy in another country or i create my own RoHS factory in Bulgaria !!!!

**TERMINATOR1000** · 2nd January, 2021, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by rapidlocksmiths

why the shock and horror , they are just closing the net to stop businesses avoiding taxes , if a legit business then theres no problem , charge accordingly as every business does

market rules , if i paid it for my country it's OK , but if i extra pay for Aliexpress OR UE mafia it's another story ....

**arosta** · 2nd January, 2021, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by TERMINATOR1000

Aliexpress collect this taxe only for British customers , today , if they applies it for rest of the world , i will buy in another country or i create my own RoHS factory in Bulgaria !!!!

Aliexpress collect and send into uk gov. And dont believe in other country will be same price like now. Probably price will go up and i dont know why you are mad? You can get back your tax if you have company right? In my country i had to make special number for legal taking stuff from China (other way cant take tax back) it was hard to create (goverment site and special sign in java app and tons of other aplication sended, but now i am not worried and happy coz i can do price up 20% from june). That mean less customers with pre owned cheap keys from ali.

Originally Posted by TERMINATOR1000

market rules , if i paid it for my country it's OK , but if i extra pay for Aliexpress OR UE mafia it's another story ....

Your country or EU makes no differences (same people pulling strings). Only if you watch TV too much you think that your goverment have something to say or your vote will change something (you watch tv much?)

**TERMINATOR1000** · 2nd January, 2021, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by arosta

Aliexpress collect and send into uk gov. And dont believe in other country will be same price like now. Probably price will go up and i dont know why you are mad? You can get back your tax if you have company right? In my country i had to make special number for legal taking stuff from China (other way cant take tax back) it was hard to create (goverment site and special sign in java app and tons of other aplication sended, but now i am not worried and happy coz i can do price up 20% from june). That mean less customers with pre owned cheap keys from ali.

Your country or EU makes no differences (same people pulling strings). Only if you watch TV too much you think that your goverment have something to say or your vote will change something (you watch tv much?)

In France "individual society" have not V.A.T to collect , for me it's just lose of 20% on my fee ! no an drama but 20% !

**Weasel3** · 2nd January, 2021, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by arosta

Aliexpress collect and send into uk gov. And dont believe in other country will be same price like now. Probably price will go up and i dont know why you are mad? You can get back your tax if you have company right? In my country i had to make special number for legal taking stuff from China (other way cant take tax back) it was hard to create (goverment site and special sign in java app and tons of other aplication sended, but now i am not worried and happy coz i can do price up 20% from june). That mean less customers with pre owned cheap keys from ali.

Your country or EU makes no differences (same people pulling strings). Only if you watch TV too much you think that your goverment have something to say or your vote will change something (you watch tv much?)

You are right.
Aliexpress collects in this amount for your country.
Instead of give this job to your local country, which is probably flooded with cheap chinese packages.
Its a big problem all over the world, to manage these packages. And its costs a lot of money.
The local post system in each country, looses a lot of money on this.
Its the same system also with Ebay packages, delivered to other parts of the world. At least in some countries.
Already prepaid tax/VAT and expedition.
At a lower cost, than what you really are supposed to pay in your own country. If they had managed to control all flooded packages from China.
Mostly earlier countries just delivered CN packages to the customer. Without any control. Since the amount of packages, was to large.
China have also an old deal from many years ago. When the economy was quite different.
Giving the the right, to send packages at a very low cost. Out to the world.
So this clean up, is actually good.

If you have a VAT registered company, you will benefit from this.
Withdrawing the VAT, when doing the accounting.

But then again. All you need to do, is to contact a registered seller directly on their official website. Instead of Aliexpress.
And they will send the package with DHL.
And you local DHL/UPS office will deal with the customs etc. And you get an invoice from them instead.
So this is a benefit for all the registered companies.
And a problem for the beer boys, and price cutters. Because their expenses will increase.

**Manta1600** · 2nd January, 2021, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Weasel3

If you have a VAT registered company, you will benefit from this.
Withdrawing the VAT, when doing the accounting.

You don't have any benefits if you are VAT registered - You will lost a lot of money

Its better to be non VAT registered and pay 20% VAT for the keys non refoundable than be VAT registered and refound the VAT from the keys

but if your turnover exceeds £85,000 you don't have choice and must be registered

**rapidlocksmiths** · 2nd January, 2021, 10:36 PM

taxes are part of any businesses costs , a business takes its costs applies its margin and charges the customer , at end of day it wont be you paying this it will be your customer paying it , as you will have done your maths , and charge accordingly .

the comming years i suspect we will say alot more tax collected to pay for the fall out from covid 19 , alot of scams and tax avoidance ignored in past wont be in future as governments around the world seek to balance the books.

people have had a good run on cheap china , but eventually you must pay the piper .

**super jumbe** · 2nd January, 2021, 11:26 PM

Looks like the good old days are over I might as well consider an early retirement get my pension and rest.......

**jodge** · 3rd January, 2021, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Manta1600

You don't have any benefits if you are VAT registered - You will lost a lot of money

Its better to be non VAT registered and pay 20% VAT for the keys non refoundable than be VAT registered and refound the VAT from the keys

but if your turnover exceeds £85,000 you don't have choice and must be registered

it could be misleading bcose it's depends on your country tax laws...not everyone are UK resident here

Generally speaking bcose most of us are business based not a hobbyist we are already paying customs fee and/or taxes we are winning with this regulations.

**rapidlocksmiths** · 3rd January, 2021, 01:10 PM

in reality who does this affect most ? it affects the cash in hand messers and those striving to cut prices to the bottom , but even they can pass this cost on to their customers , so at the end of the day the only person it really affects is the end customer/consumer , not you .

this will start affecting everyone as its not just your cheap stock and knock off stock that this is affecting , you will see most things you buy and most costs increasing too over the comming year as almost every country bar china has got crippling debts to recover from following this pandemic.

with regards keys and stock this doesnt affect me , i already pay import duty , i already pay taxes , any stock increases or increases in running costs get passed on .

**Manta1600** · 3rd January, 2021, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by jodge

it could be misleading bcose it's depends on your country tax laws...not everyone are UK resident here

Generally speaking bcose most of us are business based not a hobbyist we are already paying customs fee and/or taxes we are winning with this regulations.

Jodge its not related to where you live - If you are VAT registered you will pay much more taxes

The only difference on different countries is the limit for the registration in UK is £85000 per year in France is 35000 euro

And please note that I don't speek to avoid taxes - I just told that if your turnover is under the limit there is not reason to be registered

**Manta1600** · 3rd January, 2021, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by rapidlocksmiths

in reality who does this affect most ? it affects the cash in hand messers and those striving to cut prices to the bottom , but even they can pass this cost on to their customers , so at the end of the day the only person it really affects is the end customer/consumer , not you .

this will start affecting everyone as its not just your cheap stock and knock off stock that this is affecting , you will see most things you buy and most costs increasing too over the comming year as almost every country bar china has got crippling debts to recover from following this pandemic.

with regards keys and stock this doesnt affect me , i already pay import duty , i already pay taxes , any stock increases or increases in running costs get passed on .

No if you are VAT registered this will affect you and your non VAT registered coustomers

For sure never will affect the cash workers because they never will be VAT registered

Again - I just told that there is not reason to be VAT registered if you are under the limit

**super jumbe** · 4th January, 2021, 09:30 PM

I still don’t understanding regarding VAT you need to stop buying from aliexpress then, I bought keys and other stuff from China and I did not have to pay any VAT in advance but was informed the DHL not flying goods in UK so I had to pay FedEx shipping and fast delivery in 4 days.

**crouchinggerbil** · 4th January, 2021, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by super jumbe

I still don’t understanding regarding VAT you need to stop buying from aliexpress then, I bought keys and other stuff from China and I did not have to pay any VAT in advance but was informed the DHL not flying goods in UK so I had to pay FedEx shipping and fast delivery in 4 days.

Basically we all get away with taxes unless caught by customs. This way makes sure nothing gets into UK without the tax being paid beforehand regardless of what the item is.

We count ourselves lucky on what customs does not stop. Here if item is over €22 it is liable for tax. That is why they label the post as a GIFT or of low value to get through customs.